Moak's comments would certainly be referenced by the NMB should we get that far.

They would work heavily against us at that stage.

 

Good to know--thanks. This saves me from putting in a blind WS for some time on days I'd rather leave open.

Thanks, Alan. Will keep that lesson in mind.

 

Exactly right. If he was misrepresented by the article, one would think he would be pulling out all the stops to correct the record. Those quotes were highly damaging. The fact that Moak claims to have been misquoted demonstrates that he now at least somewhat acknowledges the problem with the quotes.

Here's the part that troubles me the most about the whole thing. I agree that Moak doesn't negotiate for us. I think those quotes, coming from the ALPA President, are extremely hurtful to our effort... but it's not as direct an impact as if our reps and negotiators believed and said the same thing.

So... with that in mind... I wrote my reps last week as soon as I read the Bloomberg story. I gave them my input that I think Moak should be recalled ASAP. Whether he is directly representing us or negotiating for us is irrelevant. He's out there saying things that are damaging to our effort to restore our profession and our careers. AND with C2015 right around the corner!

Do you think my reps made the argument that Moak didn't really say or mean those things? Heck no! Their argument was that there is nothing wrong with what he said! That's MY REPS... the guys who are directly representing me... saying THEY AGREE with what he said and they think it was smart. All I can say is wow. Unbelievably disappointing. No... strike that. Completely believably disappointing.

Ladies and gentlemen.... What you see is what you get. What Moak said in that Bloomberg article is basically what I predict you will see from DALPA in 2015. It's consistent with his past actions and messages. It's consistent with the philosophy of the majority of our MEC over the past decade and currently.

 

That's meaningless Clamp. Mr. Moak is on record as having said what he said. If he was misquoted, it's incumbent upon him to correct the record. Not by responding to people who happen to call him, but to all ALPA members. He has yet to do that. Very troubling. Changing the mind of Erdude32 ain't gonna cut it. Unless of course he meant exactly what he said.

Carl

 

It's certainly not meaningless- saying that is hyperbole. I believe it to be significant that his mind was changed like that. You know as well as I do how horrible and agenda driven reporters can be, and pulling a couple snippets out of a 45 minute conversation can be colored a wide range of ways.

You know how much I dislike Moak, but I'm willing to admit that I was wrong when I was wrong.

 

I do. And you know why? Because it's true!

And here's one more truism for you. ALPA insiders are concerned about one thing and one thing only, keeping their place at the FPL feed trough.

Carry on soldier. Say, you wouldn't happen to be on FPL would you?

 

It's not the least bit of hyperbole Clamp and you know it. If Moak didn't mean what was attributed to him by Bloomberg, then let him change ALL of our minds with the same explanation he gave Erdude32. You can't possibly be saying that you're OK with what Moak said now that a Facebook friend tells you what Moak said.

Carl

 

Lets work off of that.

Lets see:

How many pilot groups are in mediation? Plenty!

Does it prove wise to state that their bargaining positions are anything but rational? Nope.

Would or could it hurt their progress and eventually ours if the President of ALPA made any statements that would make it sound like we are anything but rational? Nope

Do you think Linda reads Business Week? Yep.

How much does the contract history state our cost per seat mile is?

What sort of raise would we get if we went to 2.00-2.05 lead to?

Might be surprised at those answers.

 

Sure it is.

It was enough to take me from hardcore against Moak to standing a more middle ground.

 

Maybe he's gonna do just that. A print publisher has never misused or misquoted anyone eh?