Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
08-18-2014 | 07:50 PM
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Thanks for the response guys. I think I read the 45 minute interview thingy from the "other" forum. I don't remember. My big problem with the last few pages of this forum is the over the top reaction. Someone saw smoke and everyone yelled fire!!!! No one bothered to see the smoke was caused by T's BBQ while tailgating... I wish we had more level headed responses and a more civilized debate.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
Dal88, it's so hard to not respond on here with real names. Lol. (-:
I also read on one of our forums....maybe it was our Facebook group, that a response from Moak was coming. The poster who spoke with Moak said that.
I understand what you're saying. I just don't really agree with your conclusions about the discussion we've had on this topic. Those quotes, taken at face value, could have pretty serious ramifications for our next contract. We need to be setting expectations for significant restoration, not lowering expectations.
Whether it's our own pilots, management, the NMB, Wall Street, etc.... we need to be setting expectations that bankruptcy was NOT a reset and that we will not ultimately accept a dramatically lower value for compensation for this profession. Without some serious rationalization, Moak's quotes clearly lower expectations. As far as I'm concerned, it's a pretty serious issue. And like I said before... the thing that makes it even more serious in my mind is that my reps actually AGREE with those quotes and see nothing wrong with them.
I understand why you'd like everything to be happy, happy with conversations about rumors, college football, hangar talk, maybe a risque picture or two, etc. I'd like that too. But this IS the "Airline Pilot Central" forum... and I think conversations about trying to dig out of this gigantic hole in which we find ourselves today are relevant, don't you?
08-18-2014 | 08:15 PM
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From: Light Chop
Okay, it took me a while but I get it. It's a line being drawn in the sand, but I don't see the line. I really just see a camels toe, but no line. So I don't get how this relates to the Lee Moak discussion, because no line was drawn in the sand. It's really just a camel toe.
I'm confused. Let me turn the dome light on and land that way. Maybe things will make more sense.
I'm confused. Let me turn the dome light on and land that way. Maybe things will make more sense.
08-18-2014 | 08:18 PM
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Mmm...camel toe....Mmmmm...
I'm sorry, what were we talking about??
I'm sorry, what were we talking about??
08-18-2014 | 08:20 PM
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08-18-2014 | 08:23 PM
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08-18-2014 | 09:08 PM
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The part I have a problem with, is when he said our contracts are...
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
"Mature".
W. T. F??
To me, and most others, Mature means; done, finished, not going to grow much from there.
We are still making LESS than 2004 pay rates, 10 YEARS LATER!!
The companies are brining in BILLIONS, PER QUARTER!!
Management's stock options are worth MILLIONS, PER PERSON!
WE still have NO RETIRMENT PLAN (if you are in your 50's today and lost over $1 Million in DB money in 2004).
Where is DALPA talking about RESTORATION? Where is Lee talking about RESTORATION?
Is he at Ed's Birthday Party...again??
He tells this reporter:
"The airlines are making money, the contacts are mature, I LOVE IT!" ??
Really?
Note to Lee:
Pull your head out of Richard's ass and start to RESTORE our PAY and BENEFITS!!
My nomination for "Post of The Day". I know that the day is early, but, still...
08-18-2014 | 09:40 PM
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From: 3fidy
For those who don't already know, the attorney in question is Lee Seham. Lee is a very tough attorney who has beaten ALPA in court many times, and has referred to ALPA national as a wife beater and ALPA members as being the battered spouses.
So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.
Carl
So you can see that a lover of all things ALPA like alfaromeo would throw this kind of emotional tantrum. Carry on Alfa.
Carl
08-18-2014 | 09:45 PM
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The Yankees SUCK!!
Your turn...
(it's going to sound a lot like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y)
"Is this a five minute argument, or the full half hour?"
08-18-2014 | 09:55 PM
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08-19-2014 | 01:38 AM
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Correct me if I'm wrong please.
The forum, for the last few days, has been arguing over a few words from a few paragraphs taken from a 45 minute interview. Let me repeat, a few words from a few paragraphs from a 45 minute interview.
Now, we all know how wonderful the media is at sound bites. Has anyone seen or read the WHOLE 45 minute interview? I do NOT trust the media.
Let's all get the FACTS!!! Then and only then can all of us forum "experts" argue our points. Right now you all look like a bunch of spoiled kids arguing over whose daddy is bigger. Sheesh.
I'm not defending Moak. I would just like to see the whole interview before passing judgment. I know none of us here have ever taken a snippet of a conversation and bashed anyone. ...roll eyes...
The forum, for the last few days, has been arguing over a few words from a few paragraphs taken from a 45 minute interview. Let me repeat, a few words from a few paragraphs from a 45 minute interview.
Now, we all know how wonderful the media is at sound bites. Has anyone seen or read the WHOLE 45 minute interview? I do NOT trust the media.
Let's all get the FACTS!!! Then and only then can all of us forum "experts" argue our points. Right now you all look like a bunch of spoiled kids arguing over whose daddy is bigger. Sheesh.
I'm not defending Moak. I would just like to see the whole interview before passing judgment. I know none of us here have ever taken a snippet of a conversation and bashed anyone. ...roll eyes...
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