Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
12-27-2014, 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by DARR31
No it does not. The only part that might lead you to think so is about wear of the uniform in the FOM which states "The uniform will not be worn when on vacation or personal business for the purpose of utilizing the KCM security process."
There is nothing about working the flight.
There is nothing about working the flight.
12-27-2014, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by poostain
That is the Max flt time. I'm looking for the MAX FDP. I thought it was about 18:30 or 20:30 with the extension but not sure.
Here, read all 12 pages of this...or just check the chart on page 2.
https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...d=0&TabId=2593
And on down at page 10 it talks about the FRMS flying the 777 to DXB and JNB:
FATIGUE RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR 777
Delta has an approved FRMS for four-man operations on the Boeing 777. This FRMS increases the FAR FDP limit for designated operations and removes the block time limit with the following conditions:
• Max Scheduled duty time= Report to release
• Max Actual FDP = 20:30 (extendable to 22:30))
• No limit on flight time (shown on rotation display as 99.59)
• Pre-duty rest of at least 24 hours scheduled (48 hours for JNB- ATL) in accordance with the following table:
FRMS Operation
Planned/Minimum Pre-Duty Rest
ATL-JNB
24/18
JNB-ATL
48/40
0700-1659L from the U.S.
24/13
1700-0659L from the U.S.
24/20
Anytime to the U.S. (except from JNB)
24/20
Note: The pre-duty rest can be reduced to the minimum due to late completion of prior duty periods only, not for short notice trip assignments
• 56 hours minimum rest, including 3 physiological nights, required upon return.
SHORT CALL ASSIGNMENT TO AN FRMS SEGMENT.
Assigning an FRMS segment to a pilot who is on short call is subject to both of the following conditions:
• The pilot must have 24 hours of prospective rest immediately preceding the short call start time. This prevents a pilot from being assigned an FRMS while on short call unless he is first assigned a 24-hour rest period that ends at his short call start time (time spent on long call is not rest).
• The pilot must be able to complete the assigned FDP within the limits of the FRMS
Last edited by Timbo; 12-27-2014 at 01:34 PM.
12-27-2014, 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Timbo
It depends on what time you sign in. if you sign in between 0700-12:59 it is 19, extendable to 21.
Here, read all 12 pages of this...or just check the chart on page 2.
https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...d=0&TabId=2593
And on down at page 10 it talks about the FRMS flying the 777 to DXB and JNB:
FATIGUE RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR 777
Delta has an approved FRMS for four-man operations on the Boeing 777. This FRMS increases the FAR FDP limit for designated operations and removes the block time limit with the following conditions:
• Max Scheduled duty time= Report to release
• Max Actual FDP = 20:30 (extendable to 22:30))
• No limit on flight time (shown on rotation display as 99.59)
• Pre-duty rest of at least 24 hours scheduled (48 hours for JNB- ATL) in accordance with the following table:
FRMS Operation
Planned/Minimum Pre-Duty Rest
ATL-JNB
24/18
JNB-ATL
48/40
0700-1659L from the U.S.
24/13
1700-0659L from the U.S.
24/20
Anytime to the U.S. (except from JNB)
24/20
Note: The pre-duty rest can be reduced to the minimum due to late completion of prior duty periods only, not for short notice trip assignments
• 56 hours minimum rest, including 3 physiological nights, required upon return.
SHORT CALL ASSIGNMENT TO AN FRMS SEGMENT.
Assigning an FRMS segment to a pilot who is on short call is subject to both of the following conditions:
• The pilot must have 24 hours of prospective rest immediately preceding the short call start time. This prevents a pilot from being assigned an FRMS while on short call unless he is first assigned a 24-hour rest period that ends at his short call start time (time spent on long call is not rest).
• The pilot must be able to complete the assigned FDP within the limits of the FRMS
Here, read all 12 pages of this...or just check the chart on page 2.
https://dal.alpa.org/DesktopModules/...d=0&TabId=2593
And on down at page 10 it talks about the FRMS flying the 777 to DXB and JNB:
FATIGUE RISK MANAGEMENT SYSTEM FOR 777
Delta has an approved FRMS for four-man operations on the Boeing 777. This FRMS increases the FAR FDP limit for designated operations and removes the block time limit with the following conditions:
• Max Scheduled duty time= Report to release
• Max Actual FDP = 20:30 (extendable to 22:30))
• No limit on flight time (shown on rotation display as 99.59)
• Pre-duty rest of at least 24 hours scheduled (48 hours for JNB- ATL) in accordance with the following table:
FRMS Operation
Planned/Minimum Pre-Duty Rest
ATL-JNB
24/18
JNB-ATL
48/40
0700-1659L from the U.S.
24/13
1700-0659L from the U.S.
24/20
Anytime to the U.S. (except from JNB)
24/20
Note: The pre-duty rest can be reduced to the minimum due to late completion of prior duty periods only, not for short notice trip assignments
• 56 hours minimum rest, including 3 physiological nights, required upon return.
SHORT CALL ASSIGNMENT TO AN FRMS SEGMENT.
Assigning an FRMS segment to a pilot who is on short call is subject to both of the following conditions:
• The pilot must have 24 hours of prospective rest immediately preceding the short call start time. This prevents a pilot from being assigned an FRMS while on short call unless he is first assigned a 24-hour rest period that ends at his short call start time (time spent on long call is not rest).
• The pilot must be able to complete the assigned FDP within the limits of the FRMS
12-27-2014, 03:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Purple Drank
You might as well ask how we can finalize a contract before it's amendable (see C12).
The company has a lot of motivation to prevent it from becoming a violation. With Richard's "Rules of the Road" (it exhorts us to "keep your deals"), no way the company can answer the mail on ignoring the contract.
Wonder if HK's resignation is in any way related to this rumored settlement?
The company has a lot of motivation to prevent it from becoming a violation. With Richard's "Rules of the Road" (it exhorts us to "keep your deals"), no way the company can answer the mail on ignoring the contract.
Wonder if HK's resignation is in any way related to this rumored settlement?
12-27-2014, 06:22 PM
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I'm commenting on the bank withdrawal without going back 2-3 pages...
Is it possible that we can go -30 when buying extra vacation days but only borrow 20 hours when trying to supplement your paycheck?
A year and a half ago I was starting a business and dropping a trip here and there. I would borrow from the bank to keep my checks at a certain level but was never able to go past -20. I believe the guys who say they are at -30 but to just borrow a few hours...I was never able to go past -20.
Just a thought. It took me a year+ to pay those hours back. At the time though, As a DTW 7ERB, my PBS award during the winter months was only around 65-68 hours and I wasn't really trying to pick up extra flying.
As a new hire, strategically dropping a reserve day here and there could be beneficial but don't go too deep in the hole or you'll be paying them back at double your current rate.
Welcome aboard and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the best people on the planet!
Is it possible that we can go -30 when buying extra vacation days but only borrow 20 hours when trying to supplement your paycheck?
A year and a half ago I was starting a business and dropping a trip here and there. I would borrow from the bank to keep my checks at a certain level but was never able to go past -20. I believe the guys who say they are at -30 but to just borrow a few hours...I was never able to go past -20.
Just a thought. It took me a year+ to pay those hours back. At the time though, As a DTW 7ERB, my PBS award during the winter months was only around 65-68 hours and I wasn't really trying to pick up extra flying.
As a new hire, strategically dropping a reserve day here and there could be beneficial but don't go too deep in the hole or you'll be paying them back at double your current rate.
Welcome aboard and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to the best people on the planet!
12-27-2014, 08:21 PM
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12-28-2014, 05:10 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
The change starts on 13 Jan. Yes you can use it at that point to non rev. You do have to abide by the same rules on what you carry through as if you were going through the regular screening. If not in uniform the liquid restriction applies being the main thing.
This is not saying you are wrong but where did you read this? I have looked on the KCM website and the policy change does not seem to reflect the limitation of liquids.
12-28-2014, 05:20 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
This is not saying you are wrong but where did you read this? I have looked on the KCM website and the policy change does not seem to reflect the limitation of liquids.
I was in uniform of course, now I wonder if there will be more 'random' screening of pilots coming through in civies?
12-28-2014, 05:21 AM
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Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
This is not saying you are wrong but where did you read this? I have looked on the KCM website and the policy change does not seem to reflect the limitation of liquids.
12-28-2014, 05:24 AM
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Qatar's A350 training, comments from Aviation International News:
Am I reading this correctly that this could be (absent EASA regs) laptop based differences training from the A330?
In preparation for the launch of A350 operations, Qatar Airways has begun using Airbus’s recently certified three-tier full type-rating course that combines the new Airbus Cockpit Experience (ACE) laptop-based familiarization with a new Airbus Pilot Transition (APT+) CAE Flight Training Device, and the new CAE full-motion flight simulator (FFS). Qatar plans to ultimately perform its pilot training for the A350 at its own training center, as will other large airlines that have ordered the type. However Airbus plans three new regional centers of its own; construction on Airbus Asia has started in Singapore, and plans call for operations to start in the first quarter of 2015. In New Delhi, an A320 satellite training center will open next year, followed by the Airbus Mexico Training Center, scheduled to start operations in the first half of 2016.
The transition to the A350 from the A330 takes eight days of differences training, requiring no line flying under supervision and no initial line check, although EASA requires two sectors of “familiarization” flying. The common type rating allows for the use of the APT+ and no need at all for the FFS. More than 80 percent of A350 customers already operate A330s.
The transition to the A350 from the A330 takes eight days of differences training, requiring no line flying under supervision and no initial line check, although EASA requires two sectors of “familiarization” flying. The common type rating allows for the use of the APT+ and no need at all for the FFS. More than 80 percent of A350 customers already operate A330s.
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