Sailing:

Don't the 'victim' F/Os think to ask 'Why' the swap offer/request is being presented to them? That would tend to clear the issue, IMMHO.

DFW

 

In this scenario it's an international trip with 2 F/O's that is going to have a TOE on it. The senior perp will see that and try to swap his (non-TOE) trip with the JUNIOR of the two, if he is senior to the other F/O, the one who would be let off the trip, so now HE gets to stay home, the junior F/O flies the better trip and the guy who thought he was going to stay home....has to go do trash bags and water bottles on a TOE.

When I was a mid seniority MD11 F/O, this would happen all the time if I was lucky enough to get a TOE trip and be the 'senior' of the two F/O's. The way I put a stop to it was, I called the number one F/O, and swapped with him, after I saw that the douche F/O had swapped with the more junior F/O and I was going to have to go, vs. stay home. My buddy, number 1 F/O, got to stay home and I flew his trip, the best trip in the base. Douche had to get the trash bags and water bottles.

 

Believe they are off the books now.

 

MY APOLOGIES to anyone I offended yesterday-- not my intent.
I clearly screwed up what was a light-hearted attempt at humor, to the point where some folks seriously thought I was advocating physical violence in the workplace and PMed me threatening my job. And several folks replied in the thread offended so clearly the post wasn't perceived as the satire/joke it was intended as-- my fault, sorry to have ruffled feathers and riled guys up.

It was intended to be a joking "that's a bad idea" post in an intentionally "over the top" tone, and I thought it would be obvious to all readers. The whole thing, as Bucking Bar alone apparently noticed, was a paraphrase from Monty Python's "The Holy Grail", where the Knights of Ni respond "over the top" and threaten to kill and eat the Sir Robin. Apparently not everyone is as conversant with the movie, as I thought "And should be beaten about the head and shoulders with a herring if not worse" would make everyone reading the post say "Oh, he was parodying Monty Python here", as it's the only place in history where anyone was ever threatened with death by being beaten with a herring (fish).

While I do have a serious opinion on allowing new changes to the swap board, that post wasn't intended to seriously convey it. Again, my sincere apologies for what was obviously a poorly executed joking post.

 

The victim is the senior FO. The swap occurs with the junior first officer. The senior guy has no clue until he does not get the 7PM call releasing him from the trip. Note I said TOE. The junior FO is more then happy to trade his 16 hour AMS trip for a 20 hour FCO trip ect...

 

OK, my bad. I better understand/remember this drama. Thanks.

Now, IF the senior-->junior F/O wants to get nasty, he might develop an 'eye problem,' and he'd stay home, right? Wouldn't the ultra-senior F/O now fly, or would it go out to a W/S or reserve?

(No dog in the hunt, but the mechanics are interesting!)

DFW

 

That would work too, but then he'd have to burn some sick leave. Of course, getting screwed like that could make you sick...

 

I got your joke, but then I own the movie and have seen it about 100 times.

My wife hates it, that's why I love to watch it. I hated the Notebook, that's her Get Even movie!

Speaking of which, American Sniper comes out today! I might make her watch that! (and then beat her with a herring!)

 

The thing on the back is clearly a chemtrail dispenser made to look like an afterburner

 

SHHhhhh.... you know that's classified!

In fact, I think the mods should remove that picture, that whole project is classified!