Bingo... he's just throwing crap out there to Micheal Moore it up.

Freezes: We already have the most onerous freezes of the legacies. Ask your buddies at other carriers.

Pay Banding: We already have a form of it. In speaking with senior management, they don't seem to want more of it either.

Profit Sharing: Not a peep about it from senior management.

Sick leave is the only thing that I keep hearing pop up over and over. That is the thing to watch for the company coming after in negotiations.

I've spoken at length with both my Dalpa Rep and the ATL CPO r.e. sick leave usage. The cliff notes:

We use twice as much as other airlines. (I have no idea where the company gets that data?) But the point was made, by the CP, that the other airlines "Monetize" unused sick leave, i.e. sell it back or accrue it and pay it out at retirement, where as ours is, 'use it or lose it'.

I said, "Well then, why don't WE start doing that?" (monetize it)

He said we always have a spike in May, because it resets on June 1.

Some guys use every minute....right to the minute.

The Capt. rep said he has to represent guys in the CPO all the time, who are 'questionable' high sick leave users, i.e. on every holiday, etc. He also said about 15% abuse it.

I said, "So how about the company goes after those guys, and leave 85% of us alone?" :rolleyes:

It's a great idea to discuss the threats- that's not what Jerry is doing though. He speaks of it as though it's already happened.

We talk about engine failures as a possible outcome and address the threat... we don't fly the engine out profile and declare an emergency preemptively, though.

I'd like to pattern up on the new AA rates plus 3 or 4%, with annual increases of around 5% to enter the threshold of what I'd consider "normal." There are a lot more things on my radar, including small/large gauge scope, work rules, and so on.

That's a completely rational position. The survey was not the ideal instrument for gauging sentiment, IMO, and there are a ton of topics that are left hanging. We probably won't see the changes coming until we're face with an all-or-nothing vote. Hopefully we'll see some follow-up polling, or even a better survey, as we actually start seeing negotiations shape up.

There is of course a difference between advocating for a given position, and trying to shape opinion based on conspiracies and rumors.

Is there an echo in here? Are 80 and Sink like AV8 and Treehugger?

Have you two ever been seen in the same room, at the same time?? :eek:

According to the pilot contract:
$0 to $2.5 billion 10.0%
Over $2.5 billion 20.0%
And if I do math right we get
$2.5B x 10% = 250M
(4.5B - 2.5B) x 20% = 400M
250 + 400 = 650M

So why on the press releases does it say that $1.1B was set aside for PS?

Entirely possible. Whereas I used think "what a collection of old farts" in the ATL lounge, now I find myself wondering which of these young (deleted, not flattering) is 80, and which is ftb. Haven't seen a Delta pilot wearing the cone of shame yet.

I did fly on Bar's aircraft, once.

I call little spoon!

"Delta announced profit sharing last week with a preliminary estimate of 16.4 percent. The airline has now received the final data, resulting in an actual payout of 16.58 percent, which means that even after the 5 percent advance in October, the Feb. 13 payout will be well in excess of last year’s 8.26 percent."