...actually a bunch of people pick up to near FARs routinely with drop/swap multiple people groups. Cap should be the same for all types of pick up. Needs to be fixed. OFG

If the swa system is the same as our system, why would management be ecstatic? Anyway, I didn't say "the swa system" except to reference premium pay for picking up trips. You also inferred that I meant there had to be some minimum amount of flying done to get the premium pay...I didn't say that either.

My response was in reference to someone who was trying an angle on mitigating sick leave usage/company concern over productivity.

I am totally against out of base swaps btw to mitigate anything.

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Yeah, we wouldn't want that. :D

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They would be ecstatic because it would eliminate the cap and reduce green slip pay to 1.5 instead of double. I am aware that there are ways around our cap however in practice they are not that easy to work out routinely. Cap elimination would cost a lot of jobs. I would love to see the cap applied to swaps and the swap board but suspect I am in the minority on that point.

Well then you're in a minority of at least two. Toss is full credit for vacation and training and now we're talking.

IMO the cap should be the cap.

Is there really a cap these days beside far 117?

As I stated we have a cap. There are ways around it via swaps and the swap board. In actual practice however I find it difficult to ever make that work and I am very senior in category. The cap is the limiting factor for me 9 times out of 10. That's a good thing. As a example this month I currently have about 68 hours. There have been at least half a dozen trips I saw in open time I would have picked up. All put me over the cap. The contract protects me from myself sometimes. If we eliminated the cap I bet it would cost at least 5% of our jobs.

I Agree we need "protection" from ourselves, and fly *****s who will step all over their d$#k's and fellow pilots for a buck.

Obvious sore spot with me. Of course the cap can't be eliminated. On applying the cap to swaps and swap board I doubt you are in the minority at all. Every time I think I'm aces for a greenie it evaporates. Since I've been able to view the rotation history it is easy to see the multiple swaps/drops/maneuvering going on. There is no conceivable "union" reason why there should be a different cap for swaps vs white slip pickup: none. A little clique or a few buds have a loophole that the company loves. This is no different than trip parking. When you fly 99 at straight pay you are saving a green slip and/or reserve manning. It is a classic case of pilots being their own worst enemies and has no place in our contract. I doubt there is a contract in any other industry nor any union that would place a limit on overtime except across the board and "except if you swap it with a friend" would not happen. Could number 1 give his time to number 12000--maybe. Could number 12000 pickup 25 hours of OT when number 2 can only pick up 15? No chance at all. Not JMO. OFG