Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-18-2015 | 06:22 PM
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Anyone have good gouge on Delta jumpseating to CUN? As a DL guy, is it just like JSing within the states?
04-19-2015 | 02:17 AM
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04-19-2015 | 07:13 AM
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Read back a bit and didn't see anyone talking about crew plannings letter to further reduce commutable trips. For those who live in base they reduce the number of short trips and for those who commute they make them non-commutable. I don't commute and would prefer shorter trips which are all but gone, however I feel terrible for commuters 4 four days non commutable...gone for 24 days. We have destroyed QOL in this job for what more money...wait we still get payed less than a decade ago soooo. More work for less pay, look at us go. Maybe this contract will fix it.... I bet it will
04-19-2015 | 07:15 AM
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04-19-2015 | 07:51 AM
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Read back a bit and didn't see anyone talking about crew plannings letter to further reduce commutable trips. For those who live in base they reduce the number of short trips and for those who commute they make them non-commutable. I don't commute and would prefer shorter trips which are all but gone, however I feel terrible for commuters 4 four days non commutable...gone for 24 days. We have destroyed QOL in this job for what more money...wait we still get payed less than a decade ago soooo. More work for less pay, look at us go. Maybe this contract will fix it.... I bet it will
Why are we taking such a QOL of life hit without addressing it? Now I live in base, but I would much prefer trips that didn't involve me getting up before 5am, and allowed me to get home before my kids went to bed. I only live half an hour from the airport, so it's not like I have a long trek home.
04-19-2015 | 08:00 AM
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Cause we asked for it?
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
04-19-2015 | 09:05 AM
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Cause we asked for it?
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
You are correct, as soon as we got 5:15 ADG, the 4 day, commutable trips pretty much disappeared in DTW...at least for me at 60% down the list of ER FO's. I either had to do GRU's or 5 day trips that ended with a red eye. I have since, switched to ATL because it appeared at the time, that there were many 4 day, commutable trips. Now, with this letter, I am afraid it might have been for nothing.
I keep hearing from the company that they're trying to decrease credit time but one look at a 73N bid pack and it looks like they haven't optimized the trips in that category yet...4 day trips with 13 hours of flying and DH's all over the place.
04-19-2015 | 09:19 AM
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Cause we asked for it?
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
04-19-2015 | 09:27 AM
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Cause we asked for it?
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
We've always been clamoring for more productive days. Guys would get on here, and say that don't care how hard they work when they're at work, they want more days off. Now we got ADG 5:15. We should be thrilled, right?
The problem is, Carmen, or whatever the system is called, isn't going to give you a bunch of credit time for the purpose of commuting. It's going to build a lot of flying into the first and last days of your rotation, especially short rotations, to avoid credit time. It's also going to try to do more duty periods than calendar days in the same rotation.
There is an inherent conflict between getting more minimum credit per day, and making the first and last day commutable. We simply need to know what we want to prioritize. I think most guys want as high a credit time as possible, and keep their fingers crossed that the trips will come out commutable, even though they know there is no logical reason they would.
Back in the day it was a full month to do 3 4-day domestic trips. Now you have to do 4. Also those 3 trips were typically commutable, now the 4 we have to do start at 0500 and get done at 2000.
Every contract we get "better" work rules, but the company exploits them to make them cost neutral and we get screwed.
Won't be long until we are all doing 4 5-day trips a month to make what our neighbors who manage Wal-Mart make.
How about we stop getting more "efficient" work rules and just make them pay us in rates? I would rather do 3 4-day trips a month than 4 5-day trips a month for the same pay.
04-19-2015 | 09:34 AM
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Back in the day it was a full month to do 3 4-day domestic trips. Now you have to do 4. Also those 3 trips were typically commutable, now the 4 we have to do start at 0500 and get done at 2000.
How about we stop getting more "efficient" work rules and just make them pay us in rates? I would rather do 3 4-day trips a month than 4 5-day trips a month for the same pay.
Imo, being on the bottom end of any domestic category strongly resembles a regional airline lifestyle. I think captains going over 10,000 at an airline of 12,500 pilots reflects that.
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