Wow, the light just came on, thanks for enlightening me Slow. And to think that for all of these years I thought everything stayed the same.http://usera.ImageCave.com/Dr5115/brickwall.gif silly me. Never said I was against the JV, just want our flying protected.

So are you advocating that we give away some of our 5th Freedom rights flying and relinguish that flying to JAL? Im really interested in what you think we should do for the JV?

Im very open minded when it comes to the JV, just not wanting to see us lose jobs, is that such a bad thing?

You opinion. Period. What was the AMEX money for again?

I agree that we are better off for the merger. My point was that we got NRT and Open Skies between Japan and the US should have been looked at but either way are an issue now, which will dilute part of the merger's effectiveness if we do not get Haneda access. That seems to be something we agree upon. DALPA's willingness to make the deal happen (ie, less in return for our cooperation) seem to be what we differ on.
Give me unfiltered access to all of the data and I will share it with a team of our pilots and we will work on something. I have long stated that we need to have many of the great minds in this group working towards our goals not a select few.

But, to play your game Slow, I see a few avenues that the deal can go down. You have stated that below. That gives DALPA a few options. Negotiations between the Japanese government, DAL management, JAL Management, and DALPA and their group are on going. They will go for the best deal. I am sure that given the "transparency" that you and ALPA have access to, you can see where where we could get a quid pro quo.

What I want is to have the guys doing this receive a WANT for these pilots of DALPA. If it is with JAL, and we get the access, there are multiple wins we could achieve. We do not need to willfully give the farm so that the company can do whatever it wants. There need to be some bookends. JAL is in deep, so is their government with JAL. Exploit their weakness in this deal. I am sure the company is doing that. There are plenty of wins we as a group could harness without jeopardizing this deal.
Haneda access is important and if we do not get JAL it will not be because we want a few keynote items for our group. It will because the money is greener from Oneworld. Requesting protections, and or flying be serviced by this group is a gnat compared to the enormity of this deal.
I disagree with this. It is not an all or nothing deal. For us to drop our complaint against OPEN-Skies, which all parties want, they would grant us access without the JAL JV or acquisition.
You really pick and choose don't you. As I have stated, I get the need or the desire to have this deal, but in reality we cannot just cave because of a fear on not having Haneda access. Like I stated above, we have filed a complaint against Open-Skies, which all parties would like dropped to make this deal happen. They want us to serve Tokyo and like our service(NWA's) over there. They will grant some level of access without the JAL deal to have us drop the complaint. Lets not play games based on fear.
Why? What happened to all that flying? Can we all say DCI together. As for FRA, DAL came in and mismanaged that flying and operation. We did not get it. It was a great Op prior to us trying to insert our way of doing things on it. Just ask anyone that was there. I have taken the time to talk to pilots and operations personnel alike about the FRA operation and what went wrong. They all come to the same conclusions surprisingly.

Do you have Stockholm Syndrome? :D

+1. Simply, it needs to "Compliment our flying, not supplement it!"

I like having access via JV or Code Share to little unknown places that put some of the revenue on our code, what I do not like is allowing some other airline to service a city or cities that we would do, or would because it saves the company a little and I mean a little money.

There is tremendous potential with the AF deal, but as the flying is dolled out, many are not going to be happy with the results of the score card. AS is taking more flying, that burns a lot of people up, because we could be doing SOME of it. Let not eve get in to DCI.

One thing I do know is that the AF service needs to be improved. I have not heard one complimentary comment about people buying a ticket on us and flying in their jets.

Read the last 400 posts, there is some info in there. It looks like we may be twitching.....

Ok Slow, not trying to jump on you here, but
what is the plan...

Cheers
George

P.S. I'll settle for "what is the plan as articulated by Slowplay..." :D

Oh yeah, and just because I am not willing to get involved or anything. I want the pilots of DAL to vote on the JV once the MEC approves it. I want pilot votes on almost everything that amends our contract. Do not tell me why we can't tell me why this needs to be done!

(Yes, I think we should have even have voted on FOQA)

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Is there a way to log directly into ICrew without going through Deltanet?

Thanks,


Not that I know of.

Actually there is, but it is a very complicated process involving wormholes and the manipulation of the space time continuum - you are better off just using the Deltanet. :)

Scoop

They've updated the "Delta Pilot basics" page to take out the contradictory information and any mention of how many/what type planes we have. Wow, that was faster than I expected.

Well..I am already getting calls from friends about Delta hiring. Here's a question. I have a friend who got a pink from NetJets. She will be F'd in January. Will she have to give up recall rights if hired at Delta? I personally told her, who cares, give em up!!