Yeah, I knew the Whitlow rule didn't apply to International ops. I was more or less just looking at it from a common sense point of view. (I know I shouldn't do that)

Brings to mind the saying "just because it's legal doesn't mean it's a good idea."

Whitlow is already an abomination of safety...and then ignoring it....

I just noticed there is a 3rd girl in that Auburn mom/daughter picture. I never even noticed her or the cigarette. Wow, they should use that in hiring to test to see if you're observant despite the overwhelming distractions...

Recruiter: "Dear, Mr. Applicant, we notice you suffer from severe tunnel vision."
Applicant: "OH @#%@# SORRY, PLEASE LET ME TRY AGAIN."
Recruiter: "Its okay, remember we are hiring people we'd want to fly with for four days so we're okay with it."
:D

Did you notice mom is wearing a sash? Stripper of the Year? Mrs. America?

Alright, I made the numbers below to give you a feel of what seniority buys you in this company as of December 2009. Its just a rough enough estimate and unlike the University of East Angila, I didn't fudge but this isn't 100% accurate as I had to take the current December bid awards, tack on the seniority list from April (which I wish I hadn't) and throw it in the hopper. So its not the same as if scheduling gave it to us but its the best I can do with whats on the intranet.

The way to read this is A) how many seats are available, B) what seniority you have to have to hold that category, C) what seniority in the company (overall) to hold a line, D) what seniority in category (%C) to hold a line.

As to the seniority to hold a line, I didn't do it based on the real line awards as guys bid down to reserve to get certain days off, but rather how many lines were awarded and then what seniority would've held a line. If 150 lines were awarded I went and found who was #150 in category and thats the seniority number that is the bottom line holder and then I turned that seniority number into a percentage overall and in category. If #170 held a line because 20 bid down, then I didn't take that into account, I just used #150. Clear as mud?

I used the bottom seniority number as 12,299.

Lastly, I apologize for any mess ups but hey, its a blog.

Example: ATL 767 B has 337 seats, 91% to hold, 82%/85%C to hold a line.
What I'm saying is this category has 337ish seats, you need to be in the top 91% of the company to hold ATL 767 B, 82% overall in the company to hold a line in category and 85% seniority inside the ATL 767 B category to hold a line.

ATL
M88 A: 451 seats, 69% to hold, 55%/84%C to hold a line
M88 B: 471 seats, 100% to hold, 95%/80%C to hold a line
73N A: 247 seats, 41% to hold, 35%/85%C to hold a line
73N B: 237 seats, 93% to hold, 86%/83%C to hold a line
767 A: 345 seats, 43% to hold, 27%/84%C to hold a line
767 B: 337 seats, 91% to hold, 82%/85%C to hold a line
7ER A: 316 seats, 42% to hold, 30%/85%C to hold a line
7ER B: 515 seats, 92% to hold, 75%/80%C to hold a line
765 A: 172 seats, 27% to hold, 10%/68%C to hold a line
765 B: 288 seats, 74% to hold, 61%/77%C to hold a line
777 A: 232 seats, 22% to hold, 9%/62%C to hold a line
777 B: 231 seats, 71% to hold, 53%/62%C to hold a line

NYC
M88 A: 88 seats, 81% to hold, 62%/69%C to hold a line
M88 B: 88 seats, 100% to hold, 99%/59%C to hold a line
73N A: 71 seats, 61% to hold, 49%/73%C to hold a line
73N B: 71 seats, 99% to hold, 97%/73%C to hold a line
7ER A: 285 seats, 46% to hold, 41%/91%C to hold a line
7ER B: 482 seats, 97% to hold, 93%/82%C to hold a line
777 A: 39 seats, 27% to hold, 17%/72%C to hold a line
777 B: 42 seats, 70% to hold, 57%/57%C to hold a line

CVG
M89 A: 62 seats, 51% to hold, 46%/74%C to hold a line
M89 B: 68 seats, 100% to hold, 96%/57%C to hold a line
73N A: 64 seats, 47% to hold, 37%/50%C to hold a line
73N B: 58 seats, 99% to hold, 81%/74%C to hold a line
7ER A: 113 seats, 39% to hold, 22%/72%C to hold a line
7ER B: 115 seats, 95% to hold, 75%/69%C to hold a line

DTW
DC9 A: 145 seats, 75% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 145 seats, 99% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 265 seats, 27% to hold, 43%/80%C to hold a line
A32 B: 241 seats, 99% to hold, 88%/80%C to hold a line
755 A: 220 seats, 38% to hold, no line data
755 B: 224 seats, 88% to hold, no line data
A33 A: 150 seats, 19% to hold, 14%/71%C to hold a line
A33 B: 227 seats, 71% to hold, 57%/67%C to hold a line
744 A: 169 seats, 15% to hold, 8%/75%C to hold a line
744B: 234 seats, 67% to hold, 37%/58%C to hold a line

MSP
DC9 A: 164 seats, 73% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 161 seats, 99% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 332 seats, 53% to hold, 42%/84%C to hold a line
A32 B: 319 seats, 96% to hold, 89%/79%C to hold a line
755 A: 225 seats, 35% to hold, no line data
755 B: 209 seats, 86% to hold, no line data
A33 A: 61 seats, 12% to hold, 2%/57%C to hold a line
A33 B: 72 seats, 67% to hold, 59%/69%C to hold a line

MEM
DC9 A: 36 seats, 74% to hold, no line data
DC9 B: 40 seats, 100% to hold, no line data
A32 A: 87 seats, 49% to hold, 42%/74%C to hold a line
A32 B: 75 seats, 98% to hold, 82%/72%C to hold a line

SLC
M89 A: 90 seats, 57% to hold, 47%/80%C to hold a line
M89 B: 92 seats, 98% to hold, 91%/70%C to hold a line
73N A: 85 seats, 46% to hold, 32%/80%C to hold a line
73N B: 83 seats, 96% to hold, 88%/82%C to hold a line
767 A: 90 seats, 38% to hold, 25%/87%C to hold a line
767 B: 91 seats, 94% to hold, 86%/81%C to hold a line

SEA
A33 A: 92 seats, 15% to hold, 11%/74%C to hold a line
A33 B: 153 seats, 63% to hold, 50%/73%C to hold a line

LAX
73N A: 52 seats, 50% to hold, 37%/50%C to hold a line
73N B: 35 seats, 95% to hold, 79%/57%C to hold a line
7ER A: 115 seats, 45% to hold, 22%/66%C to hold a line
7ER B: 117 seats, 94% to hold, 69%/62%C to hold a line

Not relavant any more

Whitlow is a big improvement over nothing. When I started the reserve system was very simple. On call 24 hours a day 19 or 20 days a month with 2 hours to report. Easy to remember from a rules standpoint but the current reserve system is light years better and Whitlow has further improved it for domestic pilots. A pilot comutting on reserve was very very rare now its done all the time. Reserve is never going to be fun because people by nature hate things that are uncertain but at the same time there has to be a method to put bodies into seats. The concept of a great reserve system and putting bodies into seats will always clash.

Good and useful info. Must have taken alot of work. Thanks FTB!

Thanks for the time and effort FTB. Can anyone fill me in as to why the 320A is more senior in DTW than 755A? Just trying to figure out the dynaimics of the categories.
Thanks,
Burn Notice

Just an educated guess, but that's a temporary anomaly. Around the same time that DAL was expanding like crazy internationally, NWA was also, to a smaller degree. This would have been maybe 6-9 months prior to the merger. A large part of that expansion was on the 757, so a lot of positions opened up on the 757 while domestic was contracting. Also, there are a lot of guys that are staying on the 320 because they hate the 13-14 day Asia trips that the 757 guys have. Some guys love those trips, other guys hate them.