|
|
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1894569)
Based on how the note and stock was distributed, somehow I don't think they are dividing it by the entire pilot group. More like by those pilots that were affected by it. Namely, those pilots in international categories. Think about it. By being below the minimum, there was less flying in those categories to bid. It didn't affect the NB fleets. Also, since it was from April 1, 2011 to March 31, 2015, I'll bet there is a sliding scale as to how much each transoceanic pilot was affected. I doubt a pilot not even on the seniority list during that time will get anything.
|
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1894656)
That's the issue. With this grievance settlement, we've set the legal precedent that scope violations become a permanent reset by paying a little money.
|
Really if they wanted to make it fair the guys that were laid off would get the most then the guys that stagnated for years. The guys that were 777 capts for five extra years because of age 65 would get none
|
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1894777)
How much would an arbitrator have awarded us if it had gone to the System Board and we won?
|
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1894777)
How much would an arbitrator have awarded us if it had gone to the System Board and we won?
You're missing the point. We should have gone to System Board with the specific remedy of either the cancellation of the JV, or the forced increase of EASK's by Delta as per the contract. You can put monetary penalties in all other sections of our contract...but NOT scope. Unions are supposed to be about protecting jobs, not selling jobs. With this new precedent, Delta could begin the complete outsourcing of ALL our flying. Then in arbitration, offer a 2 billion dollar settlement ($150,000 per pilot). It's a one time charge to get rid of all Delta pilots and it's less than half the newly announced stock buyback. Given the precedent our union just set, we'd have no leg to stand on claiming we wanted Delta to stop outsourcing jobs. We've just said it's OK based on price. Carl |
Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
(Post 1894797)
How much? As in money?
You're missing the point. We should have gone to System Board with the specific remedy of either the cancellation of the JV, or the forced increase of EASK's by Delta as per the contract. You can put monetary penalties in all other sections of our contract...but NOT scope. Unions are supposed to be about protecting jobs, not selling jobs. With this new precedent, Delta could begin the complete outsourcing of ALL our flying. Then in arbitration, offer a 2 billion dollar settlement ($150,000 per pilot). It's a one time charge to get rid of all Delta pilots and it's less than half the newly announced stock buyback. Given the precedent our union just set, we'd have no leg to stand on claiming we wanted Delta to stop outsourcing jobs. We've just said it's OK based on price. Carl |
Originally Posted by Karnak
(Post 1894777)
How much would an arbitrator have awarded us if it had gone to the System Board and we won?
Probably $69 million. |
Originally Posted by Flying Elvis
(Post 1893521)
That's not the Air Force, it's HD airlines (slogan - "We're cheaper than BluRay"). But it doesn't matter. They retired all the KC-111s. Now they're flying Airbus 316s. They don't carry nearly as much as a 318, but they share the same flight control system.
http://previewcf.turbosquid.com/Prev...ab5eLarger.jpg |
Originally Posted by MrBojangles
(Post 1894771)
it affects everyone, not just WB pilots. Think about how many NB pilots didn't get to go to a WB fleet because of this-or those of us that were displaced to a NB because of it
Originally Posted by Klondike Bear
(Post 1894785)
Really if they wanted to make it fair the guys that were laid off would get the most then the guys that stagnated for years. The guys that were 777 capts for five extra years because of age 65 would get none
|
Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob
(Post 1894853)
Was anyone displaced off a WB between 2011 and 2015 than wasn't caused by the company opening or closing categories?
Were any pilots laid off involuntarily between 2011 and 2015? Do you think the JV imbalance did not contribute to stagnation? The point I'm trying to make is the guys who are going to make the most out of this are the guys who this didn't affect. |
| All times are GMT -8. The time now is 01:59 PM. |
|
Website Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands