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How much? As in money?

You're missing the point. We should have gone to System Board with the specific remedy of either the cancellation of the JV, or the forced increase of EASK's by Delta as per the contract. You can put monetary penalties in all other sections of our contract...but NOT scope. Unions are supposed to be about protecting jobs, not selling jobs.

With this new precedent, Delta could begin the complete outsourcing of ALL our flying. Then in arbitration, offer a 2 billion dollar settlement ($150,000 per pilot). It's a one time charge to get rid of all Delta pilots and it's less than half the newly announced stock buyback. Given the precedent our union just set, we'd have no leg to stand on claiming we wanted Delta to stop outsourcing jobs. We've just said it's OK based on price.

Carl

Please don't give them any ideas....

Justdoinmyjob

06-03-2015 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Klondike Bear (Post 1894880)

Nope and that's not my point. The point is those were the guys that were affected the most by stagnation. From 2011 to 2014 there was no movement.

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Well, I was furloughed for 4 1/2 years, so I guess that's me. Cool. Although, from 2011 to 2015 I went from 90% to 40% in NYC 7ERB and actually right at the end, NYC M88A is over 1000 numbers junior to me. I'd say that was some movement.

Klondike Bear

06-03-2015 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1894899)

That's awesome. It was not that way for me in ATL though. I am glad it worked out for you, as a guy that had been furloughed I am glad you are finally moving up. Those of us that weren't furloughed can't understand how bad that had to be. You guys really got hosed for awhile.

iceman49

06-03-2015 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Justdoinmyjob (Post 1894853)

Was anyone displaced off a WB between 2011 and 2015 than wasn't caused by the company opening or closing categories?
Were any pilots laid off involuntarily between 2011 and 2015?

What about moving from block holder to rsv?:mad:

newKnow

06-03-2015 04:44 PM

I had a Tsquare sighting on my jumpseat yesterday. As advertised, he's a nice guy. :D

NERD	06-03-2015 04:52 PM

Damn newK,

I take my son to 1 or 2 Ranger games a year and your white sox are drilling us. Should've come last night😭

80ktsClamp

06-03-2015 05:20 PM

I was left reading the memo about the JV grievance going "go on?!" I'll reserve judgement to see what else is in the settlement.

The widebody block hours lost should be straight forward to calculate, and thus how much money it actually cost us as a pilot group. Additionally, it will be interesting what scope changes/penalties/gives are included.

forgot to bid

06-03-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 1894941)

I had a Tsquare sighting on my jumpseat yesterday. As advertised, he's a nice guy. :D

Hey he's good with the ladies...

http://www.rantsports.com/clubhouse/...ORTheChive.jpg

So he must be nice.

80ktsClamp

06-03-2015 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by iceman49 (Post 1894937)

What about moving from block holder to rsv?:mad:

I went from senior rsv/junior lineholder on a widebody to unable to even hold weekends off on rsv on a narrowbody...

Scope scope scope...

Karnak

06-03-2015 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 1894797)

I think you might be missing the point: Neither or us can predict how an arbitrator will decide. Example - In 1990 we had a slam-dunk grievance on 747 S/O's flying over the FAR's at NWA. The company was making guys fly over 140 hours in a 30-day period.

We lost.

Until released from OE, or if another S/O was present on the flight deck, the arbitrator determined the company could fly us over the FAR's.

And I believe you're incorrect on monetary damages for Scope violations. Our NWA contract had a clause that required "...half the revenue generated by…" as a penalty in Section 1.E.

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