Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1933321)

Come on, Falcon... you're better than this! We bought 100 739s with options for 40 more when the original order went in.

This was just converting those options, which was made known to pilots as early as February that the plan was to convert them.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1933004)

The 737 options have not been cancelled and are still planned to be exercised. This has been acknowledged since Feb.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1932136)

I'd be willing to bet we'll see a tweaked TA shot back out to us in the next couple weeks.

Originally Posted by Jughead135 (Post 1933157)

Here's the requirements you have to satisfy:



Assuming you can book the PS (up to 14 days ahead) without going through your base on a single leg (a, b & c), your description to me seems to satisfy d (you're getting there earlier), and e doesn't apply (I'm assuming there's not a subsequent flight from LGA that gets in >31 minutes prior).

So... if you don't make the flight for whatever reason, call scheds and it becomes their problem--just as if you were on your scheduled DH and got waylaid somewhere. In the situation you describe, I'd assume they'd PS you on the subsequent flight and tell you to get to the gate ASAP upon arrival in DTW--but, again, that'll be up to them.

It gets much hairier if you're offline getting to DTW--you're basically going to have to have the same backups in place as with any other commute.

All of the above is AIUI, so take it with a suitable grain of salt....

Originally Posted by Falcon7 (Post 1933370)

Delta announced the order in June. You also are stating that Delta still plans on executing these options, yet the CEO of a publicly owned company stated at an investor conference last week that he will be cancelling the order for these aircraft. Do you have anything to back-up your claim that Delta still plans on executing the order for 40 B737-900ERs that they announced in June. The order they announced they publicly announced they will cancel? Is there a delivery schedule for these 40 B737s that you are aware of? Not the previous order, but the 40 "options."

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1932136)

That version of a TA would get shot down 80/20.

I'd be willing to bet we'll see a tweaked TA shot back out to us in the next couple weeks.

Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 1933440)

You have to learn "CEO speak". He didn't say those ordered were canceled - he said he "will" be canceling those 40 that were ordered. Clearly by the time of the investor call, the TA had already been rejected, so there was probably time to cancel the orders. So, this way when the TA passes eventually they'll still have the orders. (or really exercising previous options)

If you think that Delta's fleet renewal plans are solely based on a TA, well. I was a little surprised the company did that - because if the TA failed they would have some egg on their face. Those 40 737-900ER are coming - it is just a matter of when. The company can announce the orders as part of a TA, or not as part of a TA. Also, those airplanes weren't There was no language in the TA that tied the 737-900 to passage of the TA. Those 40 weren't even going to come during this TA, probable delivery 2018-2019.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1933321)

Come on, Falcon... you're better than this! We bought 100 739s with options for 40 more when the original order went in.

This was just converting those options, which was made known to pilots as early as February that the plan was to convert them.

Originally Posted by slowplay (Post 1933855)

Not correct. For source data go look at the Delta 10K posted February 11, 2015. Fleet orders and options are posted there.

The original order was for 100 B737-900ER with 30 options. There was no option exercise or conversion.

Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 1933872)

Ah... regardless, RA expressed his intentions to exercise all the options months ago. Maybe there is our punishment and they'll exercise 30. ;)

Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 1933890)

Given it's a 739, it is kind of punishing.

I guess if the A321 is not a performance replacement of the 757 as far as transcons and that the 739 is going to fulfill that roll, I'd have to say the 739 is coming.

In a way, remember how C2012 would spark hiring? But it didn't happen. And then 2 years later it did. And now we're told it's because C2012. Then fine, in 3 years when we finally get unparked and Delta orders 739s, we can rightfully say, see, told you they were coming. :D