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Maybe a dumb question: When jumpseating international (on delta) and the gate agent gives you a seat, do you not check in at the cockpit? I have been and feel like I'm getting weird looks

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Originally Posted by Dynamohum (Post 2007385)

Don't lose sight here Mike. This was originally about the OE carve out. With recovery rights, as we used to have, you could be assigned trips that were not completely in the footprint of your original trip, hence commuting disaster.

That is what we are talking about, some sort of protection from that. We commuters understand that you do not commute and therefore you should not have to waste negotiating capital for what you are voicing concerns with, PS to work. We do fine as it is, but when you do everything right and are responsible the company, with regards to OE assignments, should help us out. Don't make this into a commuter bashing "it is a choice" issue.

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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 2007388)

Mike,

First off unless you uprooted your family and moved to the Cracker Kremlin, aka Atlanta, then there is no guarantee that you won't become a commuter in your career. We had bases in BOS, ORD, MSY, DFW, MCO, PDX, MIA, MEM and CVG was a lot bigger.

So when people say commuting is a choice I say that it is kind of a choice. Secondly, as has been pointed out, this is not about PS to work during every rotation. It is PS to work when you were assigned a trip that you planned on flying and they changed the report day. This can cause some headaches as you have now missed out on reserving a jumpseat because of the late notice.

Sadly, I moved to ATL -- based at least partly on the history of DAL closing what seem to be rock solid domiciles. I moved 13 times in 21 years of military service, I've had it.

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2007409)

Yup, and even if they don't close your base, they could pull your equipment out and put it somewhere else, just ask the MSP A330 guys how they like commuting to ATL now.

If the company changes your trip, or the sign in or return time, THEY should be responsible for getting you to/from that trip, or they could just release you and give it to a reserve.

The MSP guys could choose to fly a different airplane if they were displaced. I also believe if you are displaced you get a paid move from the company. I agree it is unfortunate if your plane is ripped out from under you, but nobody is forcing those guys to commute.

I agree on your 2nd paragraph. I quoted somebody who had no context to recovery flying and just said PS to work would be nice -- in the same vein as somebody who wanted to negotiate for an improvement to buddy passes. To clarify, I would not trade anything for unrestricted PS to work or improvements to buddy passes, I never implied or said anything about potential recovery flying.

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Originally Posted by hahahahahahaha (Post 2007537)

Maybe a dumb question: When jumpseating international (on delta) and the gate agent gives you a seat, do you not check in at the cockpit? I have been and feel like I'm getting weird looks

Our FOM does not require it, but it's a courtesy.

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Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2007540)

I'm not making this a commuter bashing issue. I did it for a year and the fact is, it is a choice. Now, if something should come up in the contract which entails recovery flying, then I agree whole heartedly the company needs to take care of commuters who are trying to do the right thing. That said, I have to assume those who have went before me bargained hard to get rid of recovery flying for OE, why the heck would I want to vote for any contract that gives it away?

Sadly, I moved to ATL -- based at least partly on the history of DAL closing what seem to be rock solid domiciles. I moved 13 times in 21 years of military service, I've had it.

The MSP guys could choose to fly a different airplane if they were displaced. I also believe if you are displaced you get a paid move from the company. I agree it is unfortunate if your plane is ripped out from under you, but nobody is forcing those guys to commute.

I agree on your 2nd paragraph. I quoted somebody who had no context to recovery flying and just said PS to work would be nice -- in the same vein as somebody who wanted to negotiate for an improvement to buddy passes. To clarify, I would not trade anything for unrestricted PS to work or improvements to buddy passes, I never implied or said anything about potential recovery flying.

Mike you got hired at the right time. Some of us 2008 hires were not so lucky. 9 schools and every domicile later I still choose to commute. Now just recently divorced I am stuck commuting for another 15 years, because I want to be with my kids. So, many of us It's not a choice.

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Originally Posted by DALMD88FO (Post 2007388)

Mike,

the Cracker Kremlin

That's just gold. Hadn't heard that before.

For the record, so far we like it here. Time will tell. I hated commuting, but am very glad the job allows it for those whose circumstances require it.

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Originally Posted by Howgozit (Post 2007556)

Now just recently divorced I am stuck commuting for another 15 years, because I want to be with my kids. So, many of us It's not a choice.

Ah, but you are choosing to be part of your kids' lives... That's additional time you could be giving to the company

Just kidding. Glad you're finding a way to make it work.

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Originally Posted by hahahahahahaha (Post 2007537)

Maybe a dumb question: When jumpseating international (on delta) and the gate agent gives you a seat, do you not check in at the cockpit? I have been and feel like I'm getting weird looks

You absolutely check in.

Some people give weird looks. That's all they know how to do. If they're an 88 pilot, it's just a burned in part of their facial expression. It's also possible they've been sitting there for 35-40 minutes. You start to become weird staring at the side of a butt ugly building for 35-40 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 2007592)

Ah, but you are choosing to be part of your kids' lives... That's additional time you could be giving to the company

Just kidding. Glad you're finding a way to make it work.

Screw it, kids don't need fathers I am uprooting myself and moving to peach tree city:eek:. We need a like button on this board! We usually have a commuter debate every few months, where is the pineaple guy or whatever his name is?

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Originally Posted by Timbo (Post 2007409)

If the company changes your trip, or the sign in or return time, THEY should be responsible for getting you to/from that trip, or they could just release you and give it to a reserve.

Anybody tried to play the "Unable to Commute" card in this circumstance...? Give yourself one primary & one backup (like you do for every check-in, right...?), then call for your PS seat on the backup if your primary doesn't work out. I would think there'd be no issue with that, and "I tried to get the JS but it was already taken by the time this last-minute swap happened" sounds like a reasonable "prudent planning" to me....

Won't help you get home, and I suppose you could get screwed with a non-commutable show time--but, then again, that last part is mitigated by the fact you're getting paid for the day prior (at least) when you commute in to an earlier time on a later day....

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Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 2007621)

You absolutely check in.

FTB,
You need to go read the FOM. No check in required unless you are sitting in the actual JS. No 01P or 02P on the boarding pass, no check in. Can you, as a courtesy, like GooglesPisano said? Sure, but then, weird looks.