You absolutely are not required to check in with the captain if you are assigned a seat in the back, i.e. you have a seat number and NOT a 1P or 2P on your boarding document.

Actually, I would argue it is not a courtesy to check in. With flowback you could have twenty pilots jumpseating and I certainly don't want to see each and every one of them. I don't want to see any of them. In fact, if you have an assigned seat in the back please don't bother me. That would be a courtesy. Thank you.

Now I know that OAL pilots don't know what our FOM says probably, so I just tell them "thanks and welcome aboard". But Delta pilots are required to know so the odd look you get means I am wondering why you don't read your FOM.

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Didn't DALPA put out something on this a few years ago along the lines of, "yes it's not in the FOM, but checking in is still the standard and expected practice. Please continue." ?


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Thank you all for the advice!

It specifically states in the FOM to not do it. Not sure DALPA would be on any kind of solid ground to advocate willful disregard of the FOM. The fact is that if you are assigned a seat in the back, as far as the company and FAA is concerned, you are now considered a non rev passenger, and all rules pertaining to jump seating no longer apply. Think of it as an ID0 ticket. Just like all the OAL fight attendants that "Jumpseat" on us. You ever see any of them stop by the front office?
In the end though, it doesn't really matter. Over half the guys don't have a clue what it actually says in the FOM anyway. How many know that OAL dispatchers are allowed up front as long as they are in CASS? Or that even if you have a Delta ID, you are still required to show your certificate and medical?

The FOM does not state "do not do it." It states that there is "no need to." There is a difference. Although the person who writes the FOM does not find it necessary there are good reasons to do so. Recently I received a "stay at gate for performance" pre push message. After we finally received our WDR I noticed a jumpsseater in the numbers. I was unaware we had one. I called the flight attendant up and she tracked him down. When he came up to the cockpit he apologized and said the agent told him to take seat 15B and there was no need to check in with me. The agent did so but also issued him the 1P ticket. I explained to him the for performance reasons he would have to sit in the jumpseat. The FOM assumes everyone knows what they are doing. They do not. It also assumes that an offline jumps eater knows the difference between having a seat in the back with a 1P ticket and actually having a seat in the back. Most do not. Recently there has been many medical events involving pilots at the controls. It is nice to know where extras are just in case. Nothing like making a PA "is there a pilot on board?"

CnBs.....Why do you make this job so hard?

You're gonna die way too early if you keep worrying about the minutae, minutia, er, BS!

Unless you fly a Bondurante (?), you aren't going to crash cuz a jumpseater sat in the back, .........and "many" medical events? Really?

I saw something similar to this. A Delta captain getting a ride home on a recent flight of mine was issued a 1P but at the last minute the gate agent told him there was an open seat in back and he should just take it. He did not check in up front, and when we got the WDR it had a JS listed. Captain called OPS to get JS removed from the WDR, OPS said unable because there is a JS listed and a 1P issued. The captain explained there is physically nobody in the JS, change the numbers. OPS said unable because the flight is closed out, if he was given a seat in back then we need to move him up front into the JS. We're now bordering on ludicrous. About to cross 4/22 at LGA for a 13 departure, we have no numbers loaded, haven't done the taxi checklist, there's a mystery JSer we don't know about, and we're supposed to pull this plane over, open the door, and make a pilot come sit up front? After several conversations with the FAs and OPS we finally figured out that yes, there was a DAL pilot who was given a 1P and he's sitting in 12a. Reason finally prevailed and the captain just went with the WDR that listed the JS and left him in the back. Probably the worst thing was the captain was fuming mad over this. It wasn't quite to the level of Ron Mullis and Rocket Surgeons but he was definitely plssed off. I didn't think he'd do anything dangerous so I kept quiet, but if something nonrelated were to happen the amount of angry commentary in the sterile area would've definitely made any report from the NTSB.

Now, had the JSer just stopped up and said hi, I have 1P but the agent gave me a seat in back most of the anger and confusion could have been avoided. We still would've had the WDR issue, but at least the captain would've had all the information and he wouldn't have had all that commentary on the tapes.

I guess my takeaway is if given a 1P and then subsequently told to take a seat in back, check in. If I have a ticket with an actual seat number on it, I'll say hi if they're at the door or in the jetway but I stay out of the way if they're up front getting ready for the flight.

Always stop by or tell the A-line to let the Captain know, no brainer. Kids and tired international pilots these days.

This is exactly why I always say Hi. If I'm listed for the JS, even if given a ticket with a seat before getting on, I might show up as a jser on the WDR and I don't want any confusion.

If your boarding pass says 1p then you are js. If it has actual seat assigned then you are nonrev.