You won't get a payback day, but you should get paid GS pay for the time you fly on the day off. If it is a credit trip, you will also get GS pay for the credit since they pay that out based on the day the trip ends.

Not true. I wish it was. Believe me I do. Unfortunately, it is not defined as a greenslip, or reroute, or inverse assignment. Those are the only trips in the PWA that are afforded "premium" pay. His scenario, and mine, are a defined coverage step and like I said in a post after yours, he could get very little hours of "straight pay", (I got something like 2 hours) to be forced to fly on an off day. Total crap deal that I complained to my reps about after it happened to me and it's just something we still have..

11-28-2015 | 11:26 AM

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Bobman80

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Originally Posted by Jughead135

My understanding: you do NOT get any sort of PB day; you DO get pay & credit (in Dec) for the portion flown on the 1st (to include any trip credit, always paid on last day).

This is correct. Any pay and trip credit is what you will get in December. In the case of my trip it was a two day that had almost all the flying on the first "reserve" day and the second day was only one very short leg back to base. That is all I was paid plus a small amount of trip credit.

11-28-2015 | 11:27 AM

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Cycle Pilot

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Originally Posted by Bobman80

I just talked to scheduling to confirm... Yep! No PB day. I figured that was the answer. Also, pay is just regular pay like any other trip. First two days go to my guarantee and the last day is whatever the trip pays. It's definitely a hole in our contract. What's odd is that if I was on reserve next month and the trip interrupted my X day, I would get a PB day. I'm going to write my reps, but I doubt anything will come from it. Thanks for the answers.

11-28-2015 | 11:30 AM

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Cycle Pilot

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Originally Posted by RockyBoy

This is definitely not true. It wasn't awarded as a GS.

11-28-2015 | 11:33 AM

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Bobman80

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I just talked to scheduling to confirm... Yep! No PB day. I figured that was the answer. Also, pay is just regular pay like any other trip. First two days go to my guarantee and the last day is whatever the trip pays. It's definitely a hole in our contract. I'm going to write my reps, but I doubt anything will come from it. Thanks for the answers.

No problem man. I think there are a lot of guys who don't know it can happen to us and they are under the impression that if it does at least we will get double pay or something to take the sting out of it. I communicated to my reps that "I understand the airline needs to staff and at times that might mean forcing me to fly on a day off but I should at least be paid 10:30 per day (5:15 x 2)." They agreed but clearly nothing has become of it.

PWA 23N step #13 is what allows them to do it for anyone who wants the reference.

11-28-2015 | 11:39 AM

#186416

MikeF16

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Morale of the story when going from reserve to a line, either the last day of the reserve month needs to be an XX day, or the 1st day of the line month needs to hold a trip. In my very limited window into what scheduling does to pilots, I see and hear about this all the time. It's a deliberate way they can increase productivity without increasing cost. Dirty trick but 100% legal.

11-28-2015 | 11:46 AM

#186417

Cycle Pilot

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Originally Posted by MikeF16

I definitely don't blame the company at all. I blame us for not negotiating protections in our contract for this type of trip coverage.

11-28-2015 | 11:46 AM

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Exactly. Otherwise you're volunteering for an involuntary WS.

11-28-2015 | 12:24 PM

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I stand corrected. Just another jewel in our transition scheduling rules. What do we have to give up to fix it?

11-29-2015 | 03:38 AM

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Nonrev international question. When checking in out of country do you get your usual standby slip. Or do they give you a seat at ticket counter before you go through security.