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Tee1Up 04-21-2016 04:06 PM


Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 2114266)
Thanks Denny, thats more or less my same strategy and it doesnt seem to work. Last few months my first 6 x days become golden. Its like Im not bidding

Maybe a crazy question, but are you hitting "submit" and getting a confirmation?

Sputnik 04-21-2016 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by Tee1Up (Post 2114373)
Maybe a crazy question, but are you hitting "submit" and getting a confirmation?

It ain't crazy, and yes/yes.

But keep asking, I feel like I'm missing something utterly obvious and no idea what it is. It sure doesn't appear to be difficult and yet my results indicate otherwise

MikeF16 04-22-2016 04:31 AM


Originally Posted by Sputnik (Post 2114128)
Reserve help. Specifically bidding golden days. Seems pretty idiot proof, in which case I'm a genius as I never seem to do it right. No matter what I request I generally end up with my first six x days becoming golden days. I have no idea what I'm doing wrong, or who to ask (far as I can tell I'm following the sched ref handbook). I'm fairly senior on reserve, if that isn't too much of a oxymoron, so expect to get more or less what I ask for.

Help?

*shrug*

The company will fly you on your golden days anyway without the courtesy of a reach around. You're not missing out by screwing this up.

iaflyer 04-22-2016 06:02 AM


Originally Posted by MikeF16 (Post 2114604)
*shrug*

The company will fly you on your golden days anyway without the courtesy of a reach around. You're not missing out by screwing this up.

Not necessarily true. You have to call Crew Tracking to tell them that you have a golden day, when they try to reroute you. Then they'll work to not reroute you into golden days. It's worked for me. Crew Tracking has no idea of your schedule, other than the rotation you are on.

from the Scheduling Handbook:

Crew Scheduling will make every reasonable effort to resolve any conflict between a reroute and a pilot’s scheduled vacation or other hard non-fly day (e.g., MLOA, golden X day, legal duty, PD, APD) provided the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling of the conflict. Crew Tracking is not aware of a pilot’s future schedule when a reroute is created.

Gunfighter 04-22-2016 06:07 AM

NOOP
 
Here is a question for the wise among the masses before calling crew scheduling and/or ALPA. A spillover rotation was NOOP due to an equipment change. It was originally published as two flying legs, then changed to DH out (in April) and fly back (in May). Now it was dropped entirely from my schedule. The first line of the published rotation was not asterisked, but the second line had an asterisk. Section 4E1 and 4F6 were of limited help and 23K doesn't address NOOP. My initial assessment is that I am pay protected for the outbound leg in April as originally published before the DH, but that I have no pay protection for the return leg in May. I can't seem to find anything that obligates me to recovery flying.

What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?

full of luv 04-22-2016 06:11 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2114650)
Here is a question for the wise among the masses before calling crew scheduling and/or ALPA. A spillover rotation was NOOP due to an equipment change. It was originally published as two flying legs, then changed to DH out (in April) and fly back (in May). Now it was dropped entirely from my schedule. The first line of the published rotation was not asterisked, but the second line had an asterisk. Section 4E1 and 4F6 states were of limited help and 23K doesn't address NOOP.

What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?

That's darn near Doctorate Level CBA understanding right there!!!:eek:

MikeF16 04-22-2016 06:17 AM


Originally Posted by iaflyer (Post 2114645)
Not necessarily true. You have to call Crew Tracking to tell them that you have a golden day, when they try to reroute you. Then they'll work to not reroute you into golden days. It's worked for me. Crew Tracking has no idea of your schedule, other than the rotation you are on.

from the Scheduling Handbook:

Crew Scheduling will make every reasonable effort to resolve any conflict between a reroute and a pilot’s scheduled vacation or other hard non-fly day (e.g., MLOA, golden X day, legal duty, PD, APD) provided the pilot notifies Crew Scheduling of the conflict. Crew Tracking is not aware of a pilot’s future schedule when a reroute is created.

The crew scheduling handbook is often informative but is not authoritative. They may try to work with you, but if you're currently an FO on the 717 or 88 they have very little if any wiggle room, I can't intelligibly comment on manning elsewhere. If it's RR you into a golden day or CNX the turn you can guess which one they will choose.

I did a complete word search of the PWA for "golden day" and "golden x" and the only protection I could find was CS could not assign you a trip into a golden X day. If there's more that I missed, I'd love to know about it.

Gunfighter 04-22-2016 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2114655)
That's darn near Doctorate Level CBA understanding right there!!!:eek:

I'm fishing in the fast reservoir of knowledge on APC for a PHD in CBA/PWA.

Gunfighter 04-22-2016 06:20 AM


Originally Posted by full of luv (Post 2114655)
That's darn near Doctorate Level CBA understanding right there!!!:eek:

duplicate.

MikeF16 04-22-2016 06:22 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2114650)
Here is a question for the wise among the masses before calling crew scheduling and/or ALPA. A spillover rotation was NOOP due to an equipment change. It was originally published as two flying legs, then changed to DH out (in April) and fly back (in May). Now it was dropped entirely from my schedule. The first line of the published rotation was not asterisked, but the second line had an asterisk. Section 4E1 and 4F6 were of limited help and 23K doesn't address NOOP. My initial assessment is that I am pay protected for the outbound leg in April as originally published before the DH, but that I have no pay protection for the return leg in May. I can't seem to find anything that obligates me to recovery flying.

What is my pay protection and recovery obligation?

I would call regardless; however, I think your assessment is correct. I had something similar (but not exactly the same) happen to me and the pay was exactly as you described.


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