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Old 09-20-2017 | 07:09 PM
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Originally Posted by FL370esq
But....remember our old (pre-PBS) system where you were on "short-call" twice a day.
Old 09-21-2017 | 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp
Amen. Our training pay is among the bottom of the industry.
You really think our training pay especially given payback days are often awarded is the bottom of the industry?
Old 09-21-2017 | 04:11 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really think our training pay especially given payback days are often awarded is the bottom of the industry?
Yes it is.....
Old 09-21-2017 | 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really think our training pay especially given payback days are often awarded is the bottom of the industry?
Yes it is.

As a comparison, united pays 3hrs a day of first year pay (90 hrs/month .... about $8k) and picks up the hotel and pays for the first round of uniforms.

Delta pays about $4700/month in training and you get to stay wherever you can afford.
Old 09-21-2017 | 04:59 AM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
Yes it is.

As a comparison, united pays 3hrs a day of first year pay (90 hrs/month .... about $8k) and picks up the hotel and pays for the first round of uniforms.

Delta pays about $4700/month in training and you get to stay wherever you can afford.
My understanding about the post is he is discussing initial qual training for pilots already at Delta.
Old 09-21-2017 | 05:04 AM
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Well that too ...
Old 09-21-2017 | 05:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Vincent Chase
Yet this is exactly the group of "experts" that brought us POSTA15. Chant it with me..."PEB!!!!" "There IS NOTHING left on the table!!!"


How you could be "skeptical" we could find "professional negotiators" that 14,000+ pilots would like better than the status quo...

I'm thinking you'd only have to convince like 1/3 of us. The rest would like more from the next TA. And no more excuses like the ones you chanted with me above.
It's also the same process that brought us the current contract.
You don't mention however that changes in the industry resulted in the new TA far more than the people or process used. Our competing airline pilot costs soared based off the rejected TA rates. Delta's profits soared and we had a change in CEO. The change in CEO may have been the biggest gain. Anderson could have stonewalled us for a long time. EB as the new kid on the block needed a deal. In the end contracts always come down to the same issue. Where do your costs stack up to the competition.
Old 09-21-2017 | 05:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Hossharris
Well that too ...
Explain and give examples?
Old 09-21-2017 | 05:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You really think our training pay especially given payback days are often awarded is the bottom of the industry?
you mean the payback days that usually get applied to 'on call days' when you can't even legally sit reserve since you aren't qualified to fly the airplane?
Old 09-21-2017 | 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by tunes
you mean the payback days that usually get applied to 'on call days' when you can't even legally sit reserve since you aren't qualified to fly the airplane?
Payback days for training generally go in the bank. If you are a reserve unequaled it's not likely you would get payback days anyway. Training has always been very lucrative to me and friends. Read and understand the contract. Uses the tools on how to bid and manage training ALPA provides. My FO last time I went to the school house failed to do that. It cost him dearly. He had 3 shadow days going into the following month. He could have bid and held a 12 day trip touching the shadow period. With Greenslips being awarded that month he could have had a 200 plus hour month for working 12 days give or take a day.
I did not have the luxury of long trips but still easily generated 220 hours pay for the two months plus 3 payback days.
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