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johnso29 12-04-2009 08:18 AM

Guys,

Can DAL-N guys touch the 777 at all before 5 years Post SOC? I thought they were fenced off completely.

NWA320pilot 12-04-2009 08:28 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 720978)
Guys,

Can DAL-N guys touch the 777 at all before 5 years Post SOC? I thought they were fenced off completely.


If there are insufficient bidders.......

formerdal 12-04-2009 08:30 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 720978)
Guys,

Can DAL-N guys touch the 777 at all before 5 years Post SOC? I thought they were fenced off completely.

I believe DeltaN guys can receive a bid for the 777, provided positions are left unfilled by DALS pilots. They remain junior to all DeltaS pilots within the category, the same holds true for the North guys on the 747 and 787

sevenfiveseven 12-04-2009 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 720988)
I believe DeltaN guys can receive a bid for the 777, provided positions are left unfilled by DALS pilots. They remain junior to all DeltaS pilots within the category, the same holds true for the North guys on the 747 and 787

That is my reading as well. All AC are open if there are unbid positions.

chuck416 12-04-2009 08:54 AM

WHAT IF DAL acquires more 777s than on the fleet plan? Would those a/c go to all bidders? What if DAL acquires more 747s than on the fleet plan? Again, would those a/c go to all bidders?
Chuck

maddogmax 12-04-2009 08:57 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 721001)
WHAT IF DAL acquires more 777s than on the fleet plan? Would those a/c go to all bidders? What if DAL acquires more 747s than on the fleet plan? Again, would those a/c go to all bidders?
Chuck

Good question. Let the law suits begin.:mad::mad:

sevenfiveseven 12-04-2009 09:12 AM


Originally Posted by chuck416 (Post 721001)
WHAT IF DAL acquires more 777s than on the fleet plan? Would those a/c go to all bidders? What if DAL acquires more 747s than on the fleet plan? Again, would those a/c go to all bidders?
Chuck

Cross that bridge when we reach it!;)

chuck416 12-04-2009 09:22 AM

My understanding is that any new a/c not on the fleet plan (I think DAL had two 777s on order, so 'south' guys get dibbs on them) would go to all bidders. The real wrench in the gears--so to speak--is if DAL gets tired of waiting on the 787, and converts those orders to 777-300s. Man, that'd be a food fight. Suppose that's a Q for another day...or maybe someone actually has the answer for that too!
Chuck

Denny Crane 12-04-2009 09:26 AM


Originally Posted by formerdal (Post 720988)
I believe DeltaN guys can receive a bid for the 777, provided positions are left unfilled by DALS pilots. They remain junior to all DeltaS pilots within the category, the same holds true for the North guys on the 747 and 787



Not sure that is technically true. I think that a DALN guy getting a bid in the category would exercise his/her seniority for monthly bidding purposes but if any one got displaced out of the category or someone bid in later, then they would be the first to go regardless of where they sit in the category. I believe the same is true for any DALS guy regards the 747/787.

The following is directly from the Conditions and Restrictions:

7. If there are insufficient bidders from one pre-merger pilot group for a posted or contingent vacancy on one side of the fence during the period covered by Paragraph 4., unfilled vacancies may be filled by pilots from the other pre-merger airline.
8. A pilot awarded a position (via an AE, MD or VD) to a category as a result of insufficient bidders will, for the purposes of processing future displacements in accordance with Section 22 F. of the JCBA, be considered as junior to all pilots from the pre-merger pilot group that was entitled to that category.

Denny

Desperado 12-04-2009 09:29 AM

Well, that all depends on whether or not these would be "new" A/C or "replacement" A/C. But how will we know? Many of us will be introduced to a new committee. The Dispute Resolution Committee, or DRC. The DRC will lighten the wallets of all of us because ALPA couldn't possibly fund these committees with the millions that they receive each and every month from our dues. In the past, the DRC has had a requirement to meet only in swank hotels and we all know that filets, cabernet, and cigars are not cheap in those places.
Let's all hope that it doesn't come to that because if it does, we'll all be writing checks for assesments.


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