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sailingfun 05-27-2018 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2603427)
Ok, but don’t be obtuse. You know very well what is meant here. Unless you were hired yesterday we have all lived with the short call requirement to be “promptly available” and live in the “general area” for many decades now. It’s not new.

2 hours has not been written into the PWA because we have negotiated the leeway to be reasonable and use good judgement. Yet there is always going to be someone who is going to ruin it for all of us by stretching “promptly available” and “general area” to unreasonableness.

As in trying to be 2 hours flying time away on short call, or live 110 miles away from the airport. (2 hours times 55 mph driving I’m guessing).

It’s correct that two hours is not written in the contract. Over the last 30 years this item has come up numerous times and both the company and union have agreed that reasonably available is within two hours of the airport via surface transportation with normal traffic. You are not required to report within two hours as many things could delay your report like traffic or airport parking and buses.
This has been tested with pilots sitting shortcall in San Diego claiming they could drive to LAX in two hours and pilots living in Vegas claiming they could get there within two hours because of the flight options.
As other posters mentioned there are always a few that want to push things. In the end that causes unnecessary restrictions on all pilots where the group suffers for the actions of a few. The new sick leave policy is a excellent example.

Bait 05-27-2018 12:45 PM

Thanks, I just called them. No discount for pets :(.[/QUOTE]

Hans--I just looked at the Delta Perks site and it says there is a 20% employee discount with some caveats (shipping as cargo, mainline only, domestic and Puerto Rico only), so I think you got some bad gouge. I'd try calling again and see if you get a different answer.

MongoC5 05-27-2018 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2603427)
Ok, but don’t be obtuse. You know very well what is meant here. Unless you were hired yesterday we have all lived with the short call requirement to be “promptly available” and live in the “general area” for many decades now. It’s not new.

2 hours has not been written into the PWA because we have negotiated the leeway to be reasonable and use good judgement. Yet there is always going to be someone who is going to ruin it for all of us by stretching “promptly available” and “general area” to unreasonableness.

As in trying to be 2 hours flying time away on short call, or live 110 miles away from the airport. (2 hours times 55 mph driving I’m guessing).

110 miles is absolutely reasonable and not stretching anything at all, while that was even confirmed to me from the CPO on more than one occasion. I purposely asked this during a probationary interview so I wouldn’t find myself between a rock and hard spot with scheduling and screwing them over. I’ve always been honest when they (scheduling) call which is all they care about for planning purposes. When folks BS their way because they are sitting well outside something reasonable, then we shoot ourselves in the foot.

Mongo

OOfff 05-27-2018 01:19 PM


Originally Posted by MongoC5 (Post 2603523)
110 miles is absolutely reasonable and not stretching anything at all, while that was even confirmed to me from the CPO on more than one occasion. I purposely asked this during a probationary interview so I wouldn’t find myself between a rock and hard spot with scheduling and screwing them over. I’ve always been honest when they (scheduling) call which is all they care about for planning purposes. When folks BS their way because they are sitting well outside something reasonable, then we shoot ourselves in the foot.

Mongo

110 miles in SLC and 110 miles in Los Angeles are vastly different. A full two-hour drive to the parking lot without traffic is absolutely at the outer limit of reasonable.

MongoC5 05-27-2018 02:32 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2603526)
110 miles in SLC and 110 miles in Los Angeles are vastly different. A full two-hour drive to the parking lot without traffic is absolutely at the outer limit of reasonable.

I’ve flown into LGA at 4pm to do a surface deadhead back to JFK, 10 miles exact took the van almost 1 hour. One lane shut down on the Whitestone bridge can create complete grid lock, or just typical traffic. The point of them not setting a time limit is for these exact reasons and examples. It is like having an individual who lives near EWR be out of range for LGA because the same time frame scenario could take 3 hours. We do not want an exact time in the contract. That would be a disaster.

Mongo

Hank Kingsley 05-27-2018 03:06 PM


Originally Posted by OOfff (Post 2603526)
110 miles in SLC and 110 miles in Los Angeles are vastly different. A full two-hour drive to the parking lot without traffic is absolutely at the outer limit of reasonable.

At 5am, they're the same. I could make EWR in 1 plus 30. LGA or JFK could be 3 hours. You never knew.

RunFast 05-27-2018 05:13 PM

Medical Certificate
 
Over 40. After the first 6 months, does the first class medical become a second class until the end of the 12th month for jumpseat purposes only (currently on a LOA)?

TED74 05-27-2018 05:21 PM


Originally Posted by RunFast (Post 2603627)
Over 40. After the first 6 months, does the first class medical become a second class until the end of the 12th month for jumpseat purposes only (currently on a LOA)?

Nope. You're good to go for a year.

RunFast 05-27-2018 06:40 PM

Thanks!
 

Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2603633)
Nope. You're good to go for a year.

That’s what I was thinking but after reading the CFR I got confused. Not something I want to mess up.

zippinbye 05-27-2018 06:40 PM


Originally Posted by MongoC5 (Post 2603523)
110 miles is absolutely reasonable and not stretching anything at all, while that was even confirmed to me from the CPO on more than one occasion. I purposely asked this during a probationary interview so I wouldn’t find myself between a rock and hard spot with scheduling and screwing them over. I’ve always been honest when they (scheduling) call which is all they care about for planning purposes. When folks BS their way because they are sitting well outside something reasonable, then we shoot ourselves in the foot.

Mongo

I believe the as a crow flies distance of 120 statute miles from domicile airport center is used for paid move criteria. Seems like that should be a reasonable wag for reserve driving distance as well, considering somebody had that distance in mind to determine what's "close enough" to justify in-range for a household location. One example would be KATL to Chatanooga, which in reasonable traffic would be under two hours. But throw in peak drive time, then not so much. The San Diego to KLAX example represents the sub 120 mile commute that would be under two hours only with a lot of good timing and good luck. I did the 49 miles from Universal Studios Hollywood to KSNA in about 1:45 during afternoon rush; SoCal is the epitome of "that ain't gonna work" when it comes to assuming a mile per minute across the earth. Trains and planes can be an equalizer, but reserve distance to the airport is a personal choice depending on your location and willingness to push boundaries. Not sure what the knock regarding Vegas was? I'd place money on me at my home in Vegas against any SoCal boys (or girls or gender neutrals) living outside of a 60 mile circle around LAX for a race to the crew lounge in daylight hours. My record - 1:10 from my master bedroom pillow to check-in. Granted, the stars aligned for that, but two hours is no sweat. Short call at the gym or Starbucks next to KLAS if the risk justifies.


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