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flyallnite 11-16-2018 10:00 AM

You guys are being glib if you don't think SkyHub a threat. And yes, WE DO need babysitting, especially on web boards! How many times have I seen posts deleted here and all over other pages, the CHITshow that is Chit Chat...

This isn't the first web board by the Company either, the first one was, you guessed it... SHUT DOWN. It was an ugly, ugly place. We get all the information we need pushed to us, or we can just email someone. We DON'T need a company wide wailing wall that will, I guarantee you, turn into a gigantic train wreck within weeks of going live. Wait until contract negotiations, when you'll hear what your fellow widget heads really think about your pay and working conditions. And yes, there will be the "White Hat" pilot on there telling everyone how we need to all pull together and SACRIFICE. You think ALPA is busy now? They will have to create a whole new office just to handle this mess, 24/7. Did you know for example it shows your current location when you are logged in?

I've seen all this before, many times, I've been on every pilot board there is. It's all the same, but this time you're handing management the keys to your career every time you go on there and say anything. Remember all those boxes you checked on CQ "Rules of the Road"? THAT's the noose they'll hang you with. This is a honey-trap. I can think of a few folks who are sure to fall right in. Pretty smart thinking by the company. Good luck and tread VERY carefully, I'm staying FAR away from this dumpster fire.

GuardPolice 11-16-2018 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2709496)
You guys are being glib if you don't think SkyHub a threat. And yes, we DO need babysitting, especially on web boards! How many times have I seen posts deleted here and all over other pages, the CHITshow that is Chit Chat...

This isn't the first web board by the Company either, the first one was, you guessed it... SHUT DOWN. It was an ugly, ugly place. We get all the information we need pushed to us, or we can just email someone. We DON'T need a company wide wailing wall that will, I guarantee you, turn into a gigantic train wreck within weeks of going live. Wait until contract negotiations, when you'll hear what your fellow widget heads really think about your pay and working conditions. And yes, there will be the "White Hat" pilot on there telling everyone how we need to all pull together and SACRIFICE. You think ALPA is busy now? They will have to create a whole new office just to handle this mess, 24/7. Did you know for example it shows your current location when you are logged in?

I've seen all this before, many times, I've been on every pilot board there is. It's all the same, but this time you're handing management the keys to your career every time you go on there and say anything. Remember all those boxes you checked on CQ "Rules of the Road"? THAT's the noose they'll hang you with. This is a honey-trap. I can think of a few folks who are sure to fall right in. Pretty smart thinking by the company. Good luck and tread VERY carefully, I'm staying FAR away from this dumpster fire.


You honestly believe the company went through all this effort just to set a honey-trap? That’s a grade A conspiracy theory right there. If it was a trap as you claim, it wouldn’t be voluntary to participate like it is.

I’ve been a part of SkyHub for several months now and it has been nothing but a great communication tool for daily ops and specific groups that I’m involved in.

Gunfighter 11-16-2018 10:24 AM


Originally Posted by GogglesPisano (Post 2708957)
It looks a lot like Facebook. I imagine pilots will be disparaging other pilots and management on social media — just like Facebook.

It is Facebook, just restricted to Delta employees as members. The problem is the default profile it too liberal with posting and tagging options. I don't want others tagging me or posting on my wall. I think the Union was wrong to tell us not to claim our accounts. IMHO, we should claim our accounts and lock them down with every privacy option available.

flyallnite 11-16-2018 10:36 AM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2709514)
You honestly believe the company went through all this effort just to set a honey-trap? That’s a grade A conspiracy theory right there. If it was a trap as you claim, it wouldn’t be voluntary to participate like it is.

I’ve been a part of SkyHub for several months now and it has been nothing but a great communication tool for daily ops and specific groups that I’m involved in.

Conspiracy, huh. No, I'd call it more like Personnel Management, circa 2018. Mandatory Enrollment. I read every day about people fired for things they post on the internet, including DL employees! If you read the terms, you must comply with the DL Rules of the Road and The Way We Fly, and if you read those, as I did, you can see that penalties for not complying with them can include punishment up to and including termination. Buyer beware.

GuardPolice 11-16-2018 10:39 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2709526)
Conspiracy, huh. No, I'd call it more like Personnel Management, circa 2018. Mandatory Enrollment. I read every day about people fired for things they post on the internet. If you read the terms, you must comply with the DL Rules of the Road and The Way We Fly, and if you read those, as I did, you can see that penalties for not complying with them can include punishment up to and including termination. Buyer beware.


Mandatory enrollment but NOT mandatory participation. Your solid advice notwithstanding about SM in general, I don’t foresee many pilots posting much if at all.

tunes 11-16-2018 10:56 AM


Originally Posted by tahoejace (Post 2709328)
Same here. iPad Ambassadors have been using SkyHub since Feb/Mar. I’ve found it to be useful for exactly what the company says it’s for: sharing information. Questions generated on the line were asked and answered by the people directly connected to the subject matter. Very effective, in my opinion.

It’s hardly the doomsday device ALPA is making it out to be. The service isn’t even public, for crying out loud. I can’t figure out the outrage over another Delta employee being able to *GASP* see what your job is and where you are based! The horror!

apparently the app has location tracking in it. I think that's their concern...not sure why you'd download the app though. Just use the website version whenever you need it.

flyallnite 11-16-2018 11:09 AM


Originally Posted by GuardPolice (Post 2709528)
Mandatory enrollment but NOT mandatory participation. Your solid advice notwithstanding about SM in general, I don’t foresee many pilots posting much if at all.

Correct. Facebook is the platform they are using. Can you imagine the data mining opportunities the company has using this? Cambridge Analytica anyone? The privacy implications here are huge. We aren't talking about some message board here...this thing watches you. It's a corporate wet dream and an employee nightmare...sorry for those of you whose pet project this is, but this is not a good thing for us. More about FB privacy issue here if interested...

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/technology/facebook-privacy-hearings.html

flyallnite 11-16-2018 11:11 AM


Originally Posted by tunes (Post 2709533)
apparently the app has location tracking in it. I think that's their concern...not sure why you'd download the app though. Just use the website version whenever you need it.

Nope. The website has location tracking too. This is Facebook...and all that entails.

GuardPolice 11-16-2018 11:29 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2709543)
Correct. Facebook is the platform they are using. Can you imagine the data mining opportunities the company has using this? Cambridge Analytica anyone? The privacy implications here are huge. We aren't talking about some message board here...this thing watches you. It's a corporate wet dream and an employee nightmare...sorry for those of you whose pet project this is, but this is not a good thing for us. More about FB privacy issue here if interested...



https://www.nytimes.com/2018/04/11/t...-hearings.html


Please forgive my skepticism on ALPA’s position on this considering the amount of personal info a pilot has to fork over for certain medical issues. I don’t see them screaming from the rooftops about that.

GogglesPisano 11-16-2018 11:30 AM


Originally Posted by flyallnite (Post 2709546)
Nope. The website has location tracking too. This is Facebook...and all that entails.

How can a website track you on your laptop?


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