That was 5x2.

I didn't think they needed to do that anyway since any off day would be 24 hours and the adjoining work day would be another 10 to 12 hours on top of that regardless. Maybe they prefer to put it in the system for scheduler awareness or computer coding or something, but I don't see how it would be legally required on our end.

I don’t think he was in rest especially after he called to be released and was denied. IIRC you are NOT automatically released at noon prior to a regular X day like you are a golden day. That’s the difference. Prior to a golden day they don’t put an R on our schedule even though you are in the 30 hour rest period.

Denny

The more designated rest the better... as it can affect legality for green slips for those who want them, or white slips in a regular line month that follows reserve. I've learned the hard way that simply doing nothing for days on end while on long call doesn't count as rest. If only I could show them what a I'm doing! Of course, the same rules can be helpful when after 6 or 7 unused RES days we must be forced into 30 hours rest.

It's all pretty ridiculous when you step back and look at this system from a distance.

Right, but either way he would be just as legal. A single day off is 24 hours plus 00:00-10:00 worst case makes it 34 hours. No need to code R or rest in that particular situation.

Why they wouldn't release someone at noon when they were on a 12 hour last day long call and legally unable for anything else may be silly but its not illegal as long as no illegal assignment was actually assigned/accepted/flown.

I get that and in that particular situation I don't see why they'd be against the earlier release. But in any case its not necessary to code rest for FAR's when you'll get at least 34-36 hours off and free from duty with a single X or * day regardless (assuming you were legal for whatever else you did before that).

I don't disagree. But since they can't really use me out of long call in my last 12 hours of a day, they would seem to do better to start my rest at noon, and potentially free me up to fly green slips reporting on that first X day...or early AM (e.g., 0500) on the day following that one.

What good am I at 1400 on long call my last day? It has to be pretty far down the coverage ladder to actually sign in on a soft no-fly day, different from being flown into one.

The callout period doesn't count as rest towards the 30hrs because that period is started by a required notification.

You went from "I didn't think they needed to" straight to "they don't need to." Hopefully it makes sense now why that isn't the case. You aren't free of duty when they notify you of the trip that can't report 10-12 hrs out on day 1 (specifically the required notification at midnight via phone even if you are allowed to do so on your off time prior to that to stop the call).

What callout period are you talking about? I'm not referring to the last 12 hours of one's LC. Obviously, if you're not released for your last 12 hours before an off day, those 12 hours can't be considered rest. However you will still get over 30 hours of rest with zero obligation from a single day off because you can't get an assignment prior to 10AM or Noon. So you'll always get 34 or 36 hours of rest with a single day off, regardless of if scheduling marks it R or not.