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Speed Select 11-24-2018 03:07 PM

SEC Championship
 
Can the Dawgs stop Bama? Gonna be a good one.

overspeed 11-24-2018 05:52 PM

You must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at anytime while on long call. So, a single day off ends at 2359. While, what Sailing said is true in practice, that’s not what the contract says. You are also not required to check your schedule on a day off, however, you are expected to self-acknowledge an assignment on your first on-call day.

Klondike Bear 11-24-2018 06:02 PM


Originally Posted by Speed Select (Post 2713423)
Can the Dawgs stop Bama? Gonna be a good one.

I think it will be a good game. Hopefully the Bama that played the first half of the Iron Bowl shows up. The second half Bama will beat UGA. Whoever wins it will be high scoring.

My prediction is Rednecks 52 leg humpers 45

Baradium 11-24-2018 08:26 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2713353)
But how is it not prospective when you know going into that single X day you can't possibly be given anything whatsoever, and you have zero obligation to the company to "schedule check" and no phone availability obligation, for at least 34 hours?

Under long call reserve, you are required to be notified of the duty period prior to beginning the rest required before starting it. The current practice is that you are considered to be notified when the company attempts contact (or if assigned early enough to have self notified at midnight). This is a notification requirement imposed by the company regardless of how easy they are trying to make it.



8900.1 Vol. 3 Ch. 58 Sec. 2, Understanding and Applying Part 117
"O. Long-Call Reserve. Long-call reserve means that, prior to beginning the rest period required by § 117.25, the flightcrew member is notified by the certificate holder to report for a flight duty period following the completion of the rest period."


Never said that. I was only referring to the first assignment. And I also didn't say that every pilot flies illegally. The only issue here, which you are getting super spun up about and taking it personally, is the requirement to specifically notate R over an X or * day to get the extra 6 hours beyond what a 24 hour "off day" gives you. Since we don't have any obligation whatsoever to do anything coming off an off day for at least another 10 hours, including zero obligation to "schedule check" (especially during those first 6 hours in question, and especially at the stroke of midnight) how can it be duty or not rest during that period is there is zero obligation of any kind during that period?
I'm not taking the question personally. I do admit some exasperation in having to try to explain the FAA definition of obligation to you though. Regardless of how you think it should be, the FAA says it isn't unbroken rest.

Gunfighter 11-25-2018 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2713353)
But how is it not prospective when you know going into that single X day you can't possibly be given anything whatsoever, and you have zero obligation to the company to "schedule check" and no phone availability obligation, for at least 34 hours?

This should clarify it for you.
from the PWA Sect 23. S.

3. A long call pilot:
a. must be available for contact by Crew Scheduling at any time while on-call.
furthermore from 23.S.3.d.2.b)
Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an asaignment or conversion.
If you are on call, it does not count as rest. You also have an obligation to check you schedule on an X day. Bottom line, no matter how sympathetic you are to the company and crew scheduling, a single X day does not provide 30 hours of prospective rest. You must have additional time specifically designated as rest on your schedule.

Gunfighter 11-25-2018 05:52 AM


Originally Posted by Denny Crane (Post 2713420)
Mostly this^^^^^^^^. I believe technically you are not on duty but the key here is you are NOT on rest.

Denny

Thanks for the correction.

UGBSM 11-25-2018 12:06 PM


Originally Posted by gloopy (Post 2713271)
How are you phone liable when you don't have to answer or even have it on?

And in a slight twist away from the reserve discussion... am I even required to have a phone at all?

I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?

crewdawg 11-25-2018 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2713794)
I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?

If you're on a trip or airport sit, you're not required to answer your phone at all.

sailingfun 11-25-2018 02:12 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2713794)
And in a slight twist away from the reserve discussion... am I even required to have a phone at all?

I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?

You have no obligation at all.

Scoop 11-25-2018 02:13 PM


Originally Posted by UGBSM (Post 2713794)
And in a slight twist away from the reserve discussion... am I even required to have a phone at all?

I mean a cell phone and I'm on duty, that is, during a rotation.

For example, I'm on a 3 hour sit in between assigned flights and crew tracking decides they want to try to use me like an airport standby ready reserve. So they start blowing up my phone with re-route messages and CNO notifications.

But I'm asleep in the crew lounge with my ringer off or the phone turned off. Or maybe the battery is dead. Or I forgot and left it at home. Or maybe I don't even own a cell phone.

What exactly is my contactability obligation? Am I supposed to contstantly check my schedule.... just in case? What about during IROPS?


Zero obligation ever on a sit or layover.


Scoop


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