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bugman61 11-26-2018 04:35 PM


Originally Posted by buckleyboy (Post 2714457)
My head is swimming here, and I am normally a reserve pilot.

Maybe this question will help someone, or perhaps it will just show my ignorance.

Why would scheduling assign rest that begins on day prior to an X day (say starting at 2000) and the reserve rest display shows that rest terminating at 0219 on the X day?

Seeing that could lead one to believe that the X day itself was not rest.



And would a single screen display of rest periods—including X or * day rests—help unmuddy the waters?



I’ve had them put some seemingly random rest periods after trips that ended on my last reserve day and extend into an X or golden day. Like your example they ended at 0041 or 0102. No idea why.

X days are already known to be rest so they don’t have to put anything specific in iCrew regarding rest for it to count as a prospective rest period.

A single screen would help. Along with a ton of other things that could be improved in iCrew.

Gunfighter 11-26-2018 05:38 PM

For those of you who do not believe in the X day schedule check, I guess technically a pilot could wait till 0001 of the on call day to check the schedule, thus not checking the schedule on the X day.

...but the PWA clearly puts the responsibility on the pilot for checking and acknowledging an assignment for the first on call day. How else do you you interpret section 23.S.3.d.2.b) and the associated note?

23.S.3.
d. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day) before an on-call day.
Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment or conversion.

or 2

3.S.2.a.5) Note Two: Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment.

TED74 11-26-2018 05:53 PM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2714505)
For those of you who do not believe in the X day schedule check, I guess technically a pilot could wait till 0001 of the on call day to check the schedule, thus not checking the schedule on the X day.

If you live close to your base, you can check your schedule after breakfast on your first on call day. An hour to shower/dress/pack and 30 minutes to drive to the airport means a schedule check at 0830 can have you signing in at the worst-case 1000 start. Minimum schedule checks aren't necessarily adequate for a commuter, but they work fine in base.

TurbineDriver 11-26-2018 06:29 PM

I dropped a trip using personal drop in PCS. Does anyone know if I can still white slip or greenslip over that time? My schedule says PD now where the trip was.

crewdawg 11-26-2018 06:45 PM


Originally Posted by TurbineDriver (Post 2714538)
I dropped a trip using personal drop in PCS. Does anyone know if I can still white slip or greenslip over that time? My schedule says PD now where the trip was.

Yes you can pick up (or GS) over a PD. You can't pick up over an APD day. Many people will will just use one day of an APD to drop an entire trip, so they can pick up on the other days.

Herkflyr 11-27-2018 04:23 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2714505)
For those of you who do not believe in the X day schedule check, I guess technically a pilot could wait till 0001 of the on call day to check the schedule, thus not checking the schedule on the X day.

...but the PWA clearly puts the responsibility on the pilot for checking and acknowledging an assignment for the first on call day. How else do you you interpret section 23.S.3.d.2.b) and the associated note?

23.S.3.
d. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day) before an on-call day.
Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment or conversion.

or 2

3.S.2.a.5) Note Two: Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment.

You are correct on all the above. A lot of this was due to trying to come to an agreement with the company when FAR 117 was implemented. I don't think it exactly horrible that a pilot *should* check his schedule his last x day--but he doesn't have to! That is why your earliest possible report is 1000 your first day on call after x-days or beginning the month. Prior to 117 it was 0500. When I got hired in the late 90s our "good ol' days" contract had every reserve on automatic short call at 0300 his first day on call. That would take care of a required x day schedule check! No thanks!

notEnuf 11-27-2018 05:22 AM


Originally Posted by Gunfighter (Post 2714505)
For those of you who do not believe in the X day schedule check, I guess technically a pilot could wait till 0001 of the on call day to check the schedule, thus not checking the schedule on the X day.

...but the PWA clearly puts the responsibility on the pilot for checking and acknowledging an assignment for the first on call day. How else do you you interpret section 23.S.3.d.2.b) and the associated note?

23.S.3.
d. will be notified of his assignment to open time under Section 23 N. or O. by one of the following two methods:
1) telephone contact from Crew Scheduling.
2) electronic placement of a rotation or conversion to short call that is placed on his schedule prior to:
a) his release from a rotation, or
b) nine hours before the end of his last non-fly day (other than a vacation day) before an on-call day.
Note: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been assigned a rotation or converted to short call under Section 23 S. 3. d. 2) b). Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment or conversion.

or 2

3.S.2.a.5) Note Two: Note two: A pilot is responsible for ascertaining whether he has been so assigned a rotation. Crew Scheduling is not required to make telephone contact for such an assignment.

My experience has been the phone rings at midnight if you forget to check and acknowledge. Also, rest can be designated at anytime for any length but it must be prospective. I've asked to be released at noon on the last day and start my rest period at that time to be ready for the greenies. Apparently there are some "computer limitations" with that because I have been passed over on the following X day when a GS came up at 2am.

TED74 11-27-2018 05:37 AM

Can someone remind me what triggers the occasional "reserve only" restriction on trips assigned to reserve pilots?

Planetrain 11-27-2018 05:50 AM


Originally Posted by TED74 (Post 2714684)
Can someone remind me what triggers the occasional "reserve only" restriction on trips assigned to reserve pilots?

Trip from another base that is being covered by reserves. Sometimes it’s a split trip from another base.

Han Solo 11-27-2018 06:43 AM

The computer limitation that drives me insane is being unable to move XX days in the middle of a group when it doesn't break any days-off rules. Say I have 5 XX days and want to move the middle 3 into another legal block. Can't do it in just 1 PCS run because you get a false illegal days message. You can only move groups of days touching the ends of your XX days, once that exposes the original middle days you can move those originally intended middle days, then you can reset the original days on the end caps. What should take 1 PCS run takes 3, and there's the chance that those blue days will turn black while you're farting around getting around the technology. This flaw bit me hard in December when my blue days turned to black in the midst of this IT buffoonery.


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