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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
(Post 2018148)
Got a quick question. I'm on reserve tomorrow and Monday (last two days of the month). I'm a line holder next month and I have Tuesday off. Scheduling assigned me a three day trip for tomorrow which has me flying on my day off. I know the PWA allows them to assign the trip, so that's not my question. Where I'm confused is whether I get a payback day or not? I find it odd that I just lose the day off. What if I had something important scheduled that day? Am I missing something? I've read Section 23 several times but I can't find the answer to my question. Any ideas?
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My understanding: you do NOT get any sort of PB day; you DO get pay & credit (in Dec) for the portion flown on the 1st (to include any trip credit, always paid on last day).
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
(Post 2018148)
Got a quick question. I'm on reserve tomorrow and Monday (last two days of the month). I'm a line holder next month and I have Tuesday off. Scheduling assigned me a three day trip for tomorrow which has me flying on my day off. I know the PWA allows them to assign the trip, so that's not my question. Where I'm confused is whether I get a payback day or not? I find it odd that I just lose the day off. What if I had something important scheduled that day? Am I missing something? I've read Section 23 several times but I can't find the answer to my question. Any ideas?
I don't know what your trip looks like or how it pays but unfortunately you may not even get paid very much for it. In my scenario I only got about 2 hours of pay for the day they violated. Trust me, it was right... If you don't mind, what are the details of the trip? Or more importantly, what does your timecard for December say you'll get paid? Most guys think you'll get at least 5:15 for that day and that is not true. The trip only has to pay 5:15 per day "average", but if the first two days pay a lot, that third day doesn't have to pay anything. |
Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 2018151)
You won't get a payback day, but you should get paid GS pay for the time you fly on the day off. If it is a credit trip, you will also get GS pay for the credit since they pay that out based on the day the trip ends.
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Originally Posted by Jughead135
(Post 2018152)
My understanding: you do NOT get any sort of PB day; you DO get pay & credit (in Dec) for the portion flown on the 1st (to include any trip credit, always paid on last day).
This is correct. Any pay and trip credit is what you will get in December. In the case of my trip it was a two day that had almost all the flying on the first "reserve" day and the second day was only one very short leg back to base. That is all I was paid plus a small amount of trip credit. |
Originally Posted by Bobman80
(Post 2018154)
Not true. I wish it was. Believe me I do. Unfortunately, it is not defined as a greenslip, or reroute, or inverse assignment. Those are the only trips in the PWA that are afforded "premium" pay. His scenario, and mine, are a defined coverage step and like I said in a post after yours, he could get very little hours of "straight pay", (I got something like 2 hours) to be forced to fly on an off day. Total crap deal that I complained to my reps about after it happened to me and it's just something we still have..
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Originally Posted by RockyBoy
(Post 2018151)
You won't get a payback day, but you should get paid GS pay for the time you fly on the day off. If it is a credit trip, you will also get GS pay for the credit since they pay that out based on the day the trip ends.
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Originally Posted by Cycle Pilot
(Post 2018156)
I just talked to scheduling to confirm... Yep! No PB day. I figured that was the answer. Also, pay is just regular pay like any other trip. First two days go to my guarantee and the last day is whatever the trip pays. It's definitely a hole in our contract. I'm going to write my reps, but I doubt anything will come from it. Thanks for the answers.
PWA 23N step #13 is what allows them to do it for anyone who wants the reference. |
Morale of the story when going from reserve to a line, either the last day of the reserve month needs to be an XX day, or the 1st day of the line month needs to hold a trip. In my very limited window into what scheduling does to pilots, I see and hear about this all the time. It's a deliberate way they can increase productivity without increasing cost. Dirty trick but 100% legal.
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Originally Posted by MikeF16
(Post 2018160)
Morale of the story when going from reserve to a line, either the last day of the reserve month needs to be an XX day, or the 1st day of the line month needs to hold a trip. In my very limited window into what scheduling does to pilots, I see and hear about this all the time. It's a deliberate way they can increase productivity without increasing cost. Dirty trick but 100% legal.
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