Makes sense, just inconvenient for me!

 

Wonder why they are doing the 88/90 at all.

 

#maddoglivesmatter

 

Almost all correct. In the old days, the pilot paid for all lodging including indoctrination. This should have been corrected the last contract. It was in TA1 and dropped out of the talks at the end to be addressed at later time. I believe it will be fixed this contract.

 

Thanks for the correction!

I would love for it to be fixed this contract for the sake of our new hires, but I don't think it makes the short list of things the MEC is looking to get....hope I'm wrong!

 

I hope it is fixed this contract...but it should never have to be in the contract to begin with. Mgmt could (and should!) provide new hire hotels for the duration of training, effective this second. They choose not to.

 

I agree with you on principle alone. But you better believe that they will expect ALPA to pay for it as a piece of the negotiating pie. And if that's the case, then I don't have much stomach for it.

 

We also used to pay for hotels if you were ATL based or converted to ATL for a new category for all training including CQ and transition. If you were still on probation and bid to new equipment the cost of a hotel for 6 weeks was about the same as a months pay.

 

Sailing is right. For all you newer guys, please realize that our contract often sucked--badly--back in the day, even though we might have "had a pension." The work rules were so far worse compared to today, I laugh every time read someone whining about "QOL" when they really have very little perspective.

The contractual language stated that a pilot got a hotel room only for "training away from his base." Since near all training is in ATL, that meant that all ATL commuters--thousands of them--were on their own for all CQ and all (!) initial qual events. How about that? Here you are a longtime commuter, get your dream 767A bid...and it is back to a crashpad for six weeks! (the training footprint was longer then also, since no distributed training).

We fixed this, and many other things, "one small bite of the apple" at a time, most of it post-BK. You'd never know that listening to some.

But...further improvements are always needed. Better DH language, better crew meals, better(!!!) reroute language and pay guarantee, etc. And new hires should get hotels for all their training.

 

This is called talking out of both sides of your mouth. Of course we need improvements to the contract, but if nobody ever brings them up they'll never happen. Is your solution to remain quiet and hope really hard that things get better, or perhaps only people with a hire date (and perspective) similar to yours or earlier get to voice their concerns?