Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
07-11-2019 | 02:24 PM
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I think im gona file a lawsuit to get paid as CEO for life to point out to them how much they missed by not elevating me to the position.
A jury of my peers makes it a lock.
Haha!
A jury of my peers makes it a lock.
Haha!
07-11-2019 | 02:50 PM
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If I was on the jury I'd vote in your favor!
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07-11-2019 | 03:53 PM
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07-11-2019 | 07:17 PM
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If the company was smart they would be for Holiday Pay too. Just look at the problems there are covering trips over holidays and how many go out as GS's. Where the company might have heartburn is if a GS over a holiday paid double the holiday pay.....essentially making it 4X regular pay. I suspect something could be written into the contract to avoid this uhhhhh predicament.
Denny
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I would think Holiday pay wouldn't have to be 2x.....more like 1.5x for the holiday period and if you did GS over it, stay at the 2x level now.
I think even at a 1.5x via PBS it would all go senior.
07-12-2019 | 05:41 AM
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I'm against holiday pay because of the Greenslip system. If you can't hold holidays off and that's your priority bid somewhere where you can get it off ofr with the movement we are having stay in your seat for a year or two.
We have much bigger fish to fry like health insurance, Deadheading and retirement then worrying about holidays where alot of pilots are already being paid 200%
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We have much bigger fish to fry like health insurance, Deadheading and retirement then worrying about holidays where alot of pilots are already being paid 200%
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07-12-2019 | 05:59 AM
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To some, holidays off is a very real QOL item, and it's worth talking about in negotiations. In my category, it's mostly ultra senior guys getting GS over holidays anyway. Why not just have it hashed out in the PBS process? I love me a GS here and there as well, but I'd much rather have holiday pay so the guys who want to fly will bid it. Then guys who want to be home, get stability in knowing they'll be home.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
07-12-2019 | 06:32 AM
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I'm against holiday pay because of the Greenslip system. If you can't hold holidays off and that's your priority bid somewhere where you can get it off ofr with the movement we are having stay in your seat for a year or two.
We have much bigger fish to fry like health insurance, Deadheading and retirement then worrying about holidays where alot of pilots are already being paid 200%
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We have much bigger fish to fry like health insurance, Deadheading and retirement then worrying about holidays where alot of pilots are already being paid 200%
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07-12-2019 | 10:35 AM
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To some, holidays off is a very real QOL item, and it's worth talking about in negotiations. In my category, it's mostly ultra senior guys getting GS over holidays anyway. Why not just have it hashed out in the PBS process? I love me a GS here and there as well, but I'd much rather have holiday pay so the guys who want to fly will bid it. Then guys who want to be home, get stability in knowing they'll be home.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
07-12-2019 | 11:00 AM
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To some, holidays off is a very real QOL item, and it's worth talking about in negotiations. In my category, it's mostly ultra senior guys getting GS over holidays anyway. Why not just have it hashed out in the PBS process? I love me a GS here and there as well, but I'd much rather have holiday pay so the guys who want to fly will bid it. Then guys who want to be home, get stability in knowing they'll be home.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
07-12-2019 | 01:23 PM
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To some, holidays off is a very real QOL item, and it's worth talking about in negotiations. In my category, it's mostly ultra senior guys getting GS over holidays anyway. Why not just have it hashed out in the PBS process? I love me a GS here and there as well, but I'd much rather have holiday pay so the guys who want to fly will bid it. Then guys who want to be home, get stability in knowing they'll be home.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
Just saying wait a bit longer is along the lines of, "well I had to deal with it, so you should too"...it doesn't have to be this way. We're all professionals who've paid plenty of dues at the regionals or in the military. Being junior can be terrible enough, there is no reason to not try and make it just a bit better.
It's funny to me that we have guys that are of the mindset of protect the GS system at all costs. I'm all for keeping the current GS system in place. But to intentionally NOT go for QOL items in our PWA so they'll continue to get GS's is not only self serving, but also an extremely short sighted way of looking at things.
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