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Old 07-16-2019 | 09:47 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
There are many ways to reduce how much you fly in a month even summer. There may be times when it’s impossible but with careful bidding and use of all available contractual options that would be rare.
I disagree, APDs, IVDs, have both been denied. I do OK because I have figured it out but for the over 50% in seat crowd very little can be done unless you drop everything and rebuild on the 20th. once the month starts there's no swapping unless you pick up days that are low.

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Old 07-16-2019 | 09:59 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
I disagree, APDs, IVDs, have both been denied. I do OK because I have figured it out but for the over 50% inn seat crowd very little can be done unless you drop everything and rebuild on the 20th. once the month starts there's no swapping unless you pick up days that are low.
You can IVD, APD, PD and or WS in the previous month to cause a drop. You an bid at least one summer vacation. You can slide vacation. You can structure your initial pbs bid to force a low time award. You can place trips as just pick up on the swap board. You can place trips as qualified drops in DBMS. All of the above failing would be rare.
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:08 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
You can IVD, APD, PD and or WS in the previous month to cause a drop. You an bid at least one summer vacation. You can slide vacation. You can structure your initial pbs bid to force a low time award. You can place trips as just pick up on the swap board. You can place trips as qualified drops in DBMS. All of the above failing would be rare.
If you know a month and a half ahead, it is easier but not a guarentee. I have never held a summer vacation week, only <30% can hold those because of the limited number. Less than 3 weeks out no way you can drop a trip, they are all 4 or 5 days and most likely touch a weekend.
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:16 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If you know a month and a half ahead, it is easier but not a guarentee. I have never held a summer vacation week, only <30% can hold those because of the limited number. Less than 3 weeks out no way you can drop a trip, they are all 4 or 5 days and most likely touch a weekend.


This is something I tried to address in the survey months back. We need better limits on the company’s ability to make certain vacation weeks almost none available and other parts of the year excess numbers available. Ample vacation during months you don’t fly much anyway is much less valuable.


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Old 07-16-2019 | 10:23 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
You seem to think there is choice when a line is built to 85 hours during the summer months. I believe we brought back color coding reserves available for a reason, and its not artistry.
You can have any color reserve day grid you want, as long as every day is black.
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:25 AM
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Originally Posted by gloopy
You can have any color reserve day grid you want, as long as every day is black.
Are you suggesting our coverage matrix was created by Henry Ford?
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:27 AM
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Originally Posted by BobZ
Are you suggesting our coverage matrix was created by Henry Ford?
5 points to Gryffindore!
Old 07-16-2019 | 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by notEnuf
If you know a month and a half ahead, it is easier but not a guarentee. I have never held a summer vacation week, only <30% can hold those because of the limited number. Less than 3 weeks out no way you can drop a trip, they are all 4 or 5 days and most likely touch a weekend.
We have very different experiences, I have never failed to hold a summer week regardless of seniority. I held a summer week with both my primary and secondary vacation this year. I have often also been able to move other vacations to the summer via move ups.
August schedules are released. I looked at 8 random categories. I did not find one single day in Aug where a APD or IVD would not be granted and most of the time a PD would work. That’s very different from what your trying to portray. Again not one single day in 8 categories for a IVD or APD.

Edit: This post just in from the man who states you can’t drop trips for more time off in the summer!
Originally Posted by notEnuf View Post
Maybe we should eliminate the GS trigger. I'm sitting at 65 hours after dropping a trip. Ain't no way, unless...

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Old 07-16-2019 | 11:58 AM
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Originally Posted by sailingfun
I looked at 8 random categories. I did not find one single day in Aug where a APD or IVD would not be granted and most of the time a PD would work. That’s very different from what your trying to portray. Again not one single day in 8 categories for a IVD or APD.
The 20th hasn't happened, so that won't hold true for everyone on the list. In how many of your data points is there room enough to accommodate more than a small percentage of the list exercising this magical APD? The privilege of using your once-a-year-only, unpaid APD in a single month of the summer doesn't scream schedule influence to me. Of course I know you and I rarely see eye to eye.
Old 07-16-2019 | 12:03 PM
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Originally Posted by TED74
The 20th hasn't happened, so that won't hold true for everyone on the list. In how many of your data points is there room enough to accommodate more than a small percentage of the list exercising this magical APD? The privilege of using your once-a-year-only, unpaid APD in a single month of the summer doesn't scream schedule influence to me. Of course I know you and I really see eye to eye.
There was plenty of room and in many if not more than half the time a PD would work. That’s a far cry from impossible to drop a summer trip.
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