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Originally Posted by queuetip
(Post 3305573)
The slide recommends avoid pairings if:
Any duty duration > 10:00 Any duty legs > 3 legs Any layover duration < 11:00 Any sit length > 2:30 Total legs in first duty > 2 legs Total legs in last duty > 2 legs Pairing length > 4 days Makes you wonder - should a pilot find herself on a trip where the first three conditions are met, does that warrant a call at the beginning of the day stating that she's unfit to complete the day as scheduled because Delta has deemed it unsafe and fatiguing? |
Originally Posted by queuetip
(Post 3305573)
The slide recommends avoid pairings if:
Any duty duration > 10:00 Any duty legs > 3 legs Any layover duration < 11:00 Any sit length > 2:30 Total legs in first duty > 2 legs Total legs in last duty > 2 legs Pairing length > 4 days Makes you wonder - should a pilot find herself on a trip where the first three conditions are met, does that warrant a call at the beginning of the day stating that she's unfit to complete the day as scheduled because Delta has deemed it unsafe and fatiguing? |
Originally Posted by queuetip
(Post 3305573)
The slide recommends avoid pairings if:
Any duty duration > 10:00 Any duty legs > 3 legs Any layover duration < 11:00 Any sit length > 2:30 Total legs in first duty > 2 legs Total legs in last duty > 2 legs Pairing length > 4 days Makes you wonder - should a pilot find herself on a trip where the first three conditions are met, does that warrant a call at the beginning of the day stating that she's unfit to complete the day as scheduled because Delta has deemed it unsafe and fatiguing? Make the call, folks. This isn’t an ALPA problem, or a management problem, or an RCC problem or an FAA problem. It’s a problem that (many) pilots are flying these rotations when they shouldn’t be. Sure, we’re all affected differently, but I don’t buy that the 80% of our fatiguing rotations are being operated by TWO well-rested pilots. Perhaps you’re fine, but the odds that the other guy or gal is also an effective ironmanner aren’t so good. And if you know you’re tired but are counting on the other guy to back you up…there’s a good chance he’s thinking the same. A month or two of honest and professional fatigue calls will do more to improve safety at Delta than any RCC input or negotiated rig changes. Make the call, get rested, and get back on your rotation…too easy! |
Originally Posted by queuetip
(Post 3305573)
The slide recommends avoid pairings if:
Any duty duration > 10:00 Any duty legs > 3 legs Any layover duration < 11:00 Any sit length > 2:30 Total legs in first duty > 2 legs Total legs in last duty > 2 legs Pairing length > 4 days Makes you wonder - should a pilot find herself on a trip where the first three conditions are met, does that warrant a call at the beginning of the day stating that she's unfit to complete the day as scheduled because Delta has deemed it unsafe and fatiguing? |
Originally Posted by sailingfun
(Post 3305632)
In related news Delta announced the transfer of a former QCQ slide production VP to Fairbanks Alaska where he will now be the on-site ramp supervisor of deice operations. No company parka will be provided!
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Originally Posted by LumberJack
(Post 3305588)
Give the fatiguing trips to the junior pilots, that'll solve it.
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Originally Posted by GogglesPisano
(Post 3305671)
That appeared to be their solution, rather than building less fatiguing rotations. Really unbelievable.
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Originally Posted by Der Meister
(Post 3305672)
Just goes to show you how out of touch with reality flt ops mangment really is. These clowns need to go.
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Originally Posted by Myfingershurt
(Post 3305742)
To the people that make management employment decisions they look brilliant…until.
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Originally Posted by TED74
(Post 3305601)
Make the call, folks. This isn’t an ALPA problem, or a management problem, or an RCC problem or an FAA problem. It’s a problem that (many) pilots are flying these rotations when they shouldn’t be. Sure, we’re all affected differently, but I don’t buy that the 80% of our fatiguing rotations are being operated by TWO well-rested pilots. Perhaps you’re fine, but the odds that the other guy or gal is also an effective ironmanner aren’t so good. And if you know you’re tired but are counting on the other guy to back you up…there’s a good chance he’s thinking the same.
A month or two of honest and professional fatigue calls will do more to improve safety at Delta than any RCC input or negotiated rig changes. Make the call, get rested, and get back on your rotation…too easy! |
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