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Old 01-02-2022 | 08:25 AM
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After calling in fatigued and losing a portion of your rotation, when does the pay/sick pay for the removed portion show back up on your timecard? After the FRB?
Old 01-02-2022 | 02:57 PM
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ATL 73N B reserve available list is black for the whole month of January and most days are off by double digits. I thought January was supposed to be a slower month. Are all categories like this?
Old 01-02-2022 | 03:16 PM
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ATL 73N B reserve available list is black for the whole month of January and most days are off by double digits. I thought January was supposed to be a slower month. Are all categories like this?
same on 320. 🤦‍♂️
Old 01-02-2022 | 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
After calling in fatigued and losing a portion of your rotation, when does the pay/sick pay for the removed portion show back up on your timecard? After the FRB?
FWS answer - it depends....

For example I had one over 12-15 Nov. It was reroute to a day sleep to redeye that I banged fatigued over. I got 4F1R on the reroute day and then the rest shows regular pay for the portion of the trip I did not fly. Just showed up one day this month. For me smoetimes it happens within a few days, but sometimes it takes awhile. Not sure the FRB has an issue pay wise in this since (unless you bang out fatigued before sign-in on first day of rotation) we had the new LOA/MOU or whatever (someone help me out here).

Bird dog it. Send ii in to ALPA sheds if not done so already (pretty sure you did, please don't take it as a spear).
Old 01-02-2022 | 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Drum
FWS answer - it depends....

For example I had one over 12-15 Nov. It was reroute to a day sleep to redeye that I banged fatigued over. I got 4F1R on the reroute day and then the rest shows regular pay for the portion of the trip I did not fly. Just showed up one day this month. For me smoetimes it happens within a few days, but sometimes it takes awhile. Not sure the FRB has an issue pay wise in this since (unless you bang out fatigued before sign-in on first day of rotation) we had the new LOA/MOU or whatever (someone help me out here).

Bird dog it. Send ii in to ALPA sheds if not done so already (pretty sure you did, please don't take it as a spear).
HAC - thanks for the reply! How’d you see it? On the timecard or PAS since it was a month later?

Yup, first day of rotation. First time calling in fatigued. Got about 0 sleep. Thought about calling in sick but that didn’t really seem appropriate. DHD to rejoin rest of rotation.
Old 01-02-2022 | 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by RunFast
HAC - thanks for the reply! How’d you see it? On the timecard or PAS since it was a month later?

Yup, first day of rotation. First time calling in fatigued. Got about 0 sleep. Thought about calling in sick but that didn’t really seem appropriate. DHD to rejoin rest of rotation.
Rgr. Yeah, those are still under the FRB.

FWIW I see mine on the "pay statement" (icrew>pay/hours>pay statement)
Old 01-02-2022 | 06:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 1Taco
ATL 73N B reserve available list is black for the whole month of January and most days are off by double digits. I thought January was supposed to be a slower month. Are all categories like this?
NYC 73N B is all blue. It’s usually been blue the past several months except for holidays. Very few greenslips until just these last 7 or 8 days. There were some categories that were blue for Christmas right after schedules were awarded but I dont know if that lasted. Weird thing about ATL is that it looks that bad and actually doesn't have all that much open time. After watching what pops short notice in ATL open time I have a feeling that poor reserve coverage for ATL categories has a big effect on the number of reroutes that happen in ATL.
Old 01-06-2022 | 07:23 PM
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Got NOOP'd tonight and trying to submit a recovery slip for part of my original trip. iCrew says this...

23K ENCROACHMENT OR NOT ON RECOVERY ROSTER

The portion of my trip I'm trying to pick back up isn't until Saturday, is that the issue? Never had a 23k before so new to this one.
Old 01-06-2022 | 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by velosnow
Got NOOP'd tonight and trying to submit a recovery slip for part of my original trip. iCrew says this...

23K ENCROACHMENT OR NOT ON RECOVERY ROSTER

The portion of my trip I'm trying to pick back up isn't until Saturday, is that the issue? Never had a 23k before so new to this one.

Call scheduling and ask if you have a recovery obligation…you very well may not.
Old 01-07-2022 | 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by TED74
Call scheduling and ask if you have a recovery obligation…you very well may not.
I am not sure I would call. Put in a regular WS or GS per your preferences. Run the trip you want through the rules auditor. If you do have a 23k obligation you are free of that 6 hours after scheduled report and free to do anything you want. With the current mess in scheduling there is a chance they won’t get around to assigning you recovery before the window ends. If you call they may tag you on the spot. The gotcha is that if not assigned flying prior to the original report you must be promptly available during that 6 hours.

Edit: If this was a cancelled flight due to IRops you have a 23k obligation.

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