Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 735281)

No.. he's a Bammer, and you have not the clue. You came into an argument and threw a grenade at something that was not even brought up. I was arguing with alfa about negotiating stances using SLI as an example, and you blew it up. In my post (which you even quoted) I said no malice was intended toward fNWA. YOU blew it up.

ROLL TIDE

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 735286)

Tsquare, you stated:

"we ALWAYS negotiate from a middle stance. in case you don't believe that, please re-read the SLI transcripts"

I read the SLI transcripts and from the transcripts your middle of the road position was the stapling of nearly 500 NWA pilots, even below those who started their DAL careers post merger announcement. My point was simply this is not middle of the road. Apparently the other guy who needs his back creamed on likes this idea. I could care less what he thinks. My response simply is this proposal was not middle of the road as was shown in the results.

This is a dead issue now and I'm done with it, just simply disagreeing that your SLI position during arbitration was a "middle stance."

Schwanker

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 735171)

That was actually the proposal from DALPA going into arbitration. When a attempt was made to reach a prenuptial agreement DALPA proposed a ration system. To quote "Our proposal is designed to reach a quick settlement. We have opened with a position designed to get a agreement. The proposed list keeps each pilot at both airlines within .05 percent of their premerger seniority."

NWA rejected that option and the much better joint contract that came with it. The DALPA opener was taken off the table for arbitration. It was made clear that no negotition positions prior to arbitration would carry forward into arbitration. Even in the second attempt to get a list the table position from DALPA did not staple 500 NWA pilots to the bottom. The final list from the arbitrator was however very very close to the original DALPA proposal. Almost mirrored it!

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 735286)

Tsquare, you stated:

"we ALWAYS negotiate from a middle stance. in case you don't believe that, please re-read the SLI transcripts"

I read the SLI transcripts and from the transcripts your middle of the road position was the stapling of nearly 500 NWA pilots, even below those who started their DAL careers post merger announcement. My point was simply this is not middle of the road. Apparently the other guy who needs his back creamed on likes this idea. I could care less what he thinks. My response simply is this proposal was not middle of the road as was shown in the results.

This is a dead issue now and I'm done with it, just simply disagreeing that your SLI position during arbitration was a "middle stance."

Schwanker

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 735286)

Tsquare, you stated:

"we ALWAYS negotiate from a middle stance. in case you don't believe that, please re-read the SLI transcripts"

I read the SLI transcripts and from the transcripts your middle of the road position was the stapling of nearly 500 NWA pilots, even below those who started their DAL careers post merger announcement. My point was simply this is not middle of the road. Apparently the other guy who needs his back creamed on likes this idea.

Originally Posted by Schwanker (Post 735286)

This is a dead issue now and I'm done with it, just simply disagreeing that your SLI position during arbitration was a "middle stance."

Schwanker

Originally Posted by buzzpat (Post 735294)

Please, somebody shoot me. We're talking about this shiznit again? Move on, please.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 735295)

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Classy. Interesting though that this time you left out my disclaimer of no intended malice.


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Well you are not "simply disagreeing" but that is irrelevant anyway. You feel the way you do, and I have my points. I'll just let you have the last word. Happy New Year

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 735296)

No... WE were using it as an example on a different discussion, and somebody threw gas and lit a match. Not my fault here.