Originally Posted by Model Citezen (Post 755073)

ACL,
The key is profitabliity......if the slot transfer allows the route to be flown and make a profit..... its not what you earn, its what you keep. You need this airline to be profitable. If they can do that on a lower revenue stream, they will. They will show the bankers that the slot value is still high since it is now generating a profit for the corporation. They might even be able to talk the bankers out of MORE MONEY. (That is a joke)

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 755075)

Carl read what I was saying.

I agree 100% that the future growth is Asia. I do not think that DAL is as short sighted to pull out of the NRT hub if we do not get the JAL deal. What I am agreeing with is this:
Yields are way down. Waaaay down!

Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 755075)

If the JAL deal fails, we will have open skies likely fail. We then have to deal with our Fifth Freedom rights and the NRT as we do now. Not a bad thing but not a good thing either. If the economy tanks further in that part of the world, I agree with his assesment that we may have to cut bone, that bone would be the lion's share of the NRT hub. (You start cutting non-core business just like the body stops blood flow to the extremities as it fights to survive)

If the economy improves, open skies does not happen, we do not get JAL, we will be looking at slots to markets ANA and JAL will serve out of Haneda. Not good for the hub and there is only so long we will play that game, even with Fifth Freedom Rights.

We get JAL, and Open Skies happens; We are looking at reallocating who does what, but the slots we use will remain about level. Maybe a little less than now, but they will be long haul flights. We have sustainable flow to these flights and the ability to stay in position for grow as Asia grows.

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 755070)

Aren't you paying attention Model Citezen, if it was NWA...it sucks.

Carl

Originally Posted by Model Citezen (Post 755088)

Carl,

Yes I have heard some very vocal people and read what they think. The battle should always be for the silent majority who read these posts and start to ask their reps or other reps what the real story is. I want the best of BOTH pilots contracts in our 2012 and beyond contracts. There are things NWA did that were better AND there are things in the DAL contract is better. When Republic merger with NWA, the NWA jumpseat program was non existent. (an example) We (as a pilot group) should be discussing our pilot contracts, pros and cons from each premerger group and trying to achieve best in class for the pilots.

I know that pilots who are closed minded, or do not care to debate issues and summarily reject ideas from where they came from, I DO NOT WANT DOING UNION WORK FOR ME.

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 755092)

Ok. Someone please help me. Didn't DALPA support DAL going after this JV? Now the rumor is that JAL may take over all south flying and DAL pilots may lose jobs? Is that right?

Originally Posted by newKnow (Post 755092)

Ok. Someone please help me. Didn't DALPA support DAL going after this JV? Now the rumor is that JAL may take over all south flying and DAL pilots may lose jobs? Is that right?

Originally Posted by Carl Spackler (Post 755087)

News flash: yields are down everywhere. But things are slowly starting to come back. Everything I read shows Asia yeilds coming back for ALL airlines. Europe is coming back very slowly, as well as South America.



With this logic, management would also be "considering" pulling out of Europe, South America and Africa. This way we could stick to the real high yield domestic passengers here in the USA.

Unbelievable dude. You really need to proof read stuff before you send it out.

Carl

Originally Posted by Model Citezen (Post 755088)

Carl,

Yes I have heard some very vocal people and read what they think. The battle should always be for the silent majority who read these posts and start to ask their reps or other reps what the real story is. I want the best of BOTH pilots contracts in our 2012 and beyond contracts. There are things NWA did that were better AND there are things in the DAL contract is better. When Republic merger with NWA, the NWA jumpseat program was non existent. (an example) We (as a pilot group) should be discussing our pilot contracts, pros and cons from each premerger group and trying to achieve best in class for the pilots.

I know that pilots who are closed minded, or do not care to debate issues and summarily reject ideas from where they came from, I DO NOT WANT DOING UNION WORK FOR ME.