Very disappointing that you could agree with any part of that assessment. Everything I read talks about how Asia is the future of growth in the world, while Europe...not so much. Other airlines would kill to be in the position of DAL post merger with NWA.

Unbelievable.

Carl

The total amount of revenue goes down though as we will be sharing it. That will cause the intrinsic value of the slots to decline.

And all the NWA guys are really good dudes...right Bar? :rolleyes:

Carl

Sailing,

I recently read from some base notes on the Management Base Meetings the "The Pacific is coming back" - Phil Lindsey.

2 Billions in loans are backed with the NRT slots used as collateral.

The 787 order is more important that ever.... a plane that is 767 (300/400) in size that is 20% cheaper to operate. The 767's problem is that it needs the RANGE of a 787.

The REAL possibility will be JAL doing ALL south and west flying from NRT.

Sorry sailing, but I have to agree with FLY4Hire on your post. I have stated that a JV with JAL might not be good for DAL pilots, but good for DAL the corporation. I expect OUR UNION to look out for pilots interests first and foremost.

Hey Carl,

Gunga galunga... gunga, gunga-lagunga.

On your death bed, you'll pop up like an ice cube out of the tray and go "damn, that Bucking Bar was right !"

Aren't you paying attention Model Citezen, if it was NWA...it sucks.

Carl

ACL,
The key is profitabliity......if the slot transfer allows the route to be flown and make a profit..... its not what you earn, its what you keep. You need this airline to be profitable. If they can do that on a lower revenue stream, they will. They will show the bankers that the slot value is still high since it is now generating a profit for the corporation. They might even be able to talk the bankers out of MORE MONEY. (That is a joke)

Carl read what I was saying.

I agree 100% that the future growth is Asia. I do not think that DAL is as short sighted to pull out of the NRT hub if we do not get the JAL deal. What I am agreeing with is this:
Yields are way down. Waaaay down! If the JAL deal fails, we will have open skies likely fail. We then have to deal with our Fifth Freedom rights and the NRT as we do now. Not a bad thing but not a good thing either. If the economy tanks further in that part of the world, I agree with his assesment that we may have to cut bone, that bone would be the lion's share of the NRT hub. (You start cutting non-core business just like the body stops blood flow to the extremities as it fights to survive)

If the economy improves, open skies does not happen, we do not get JAL, we will be looking at slots to markets ANA and JAL will serve out of Haneda. Not good for the hub and there is only so long we will play that game, even with Fifth Freedom Rights.

We get JAL, and Open Skies happens; We are looking at reallocating who does what, but the slots we use will remain about level. Maybe a little less than now, but they will be long haul flights. We have sustainable flow to these flights and the ability to stay in position for grow as Asia grows.

Scare tactics followed closely by fear mongering. Talk of impending disaster.
This from two of our supposedly "plugged-in" guys.
Sounds to me like somebody's talking points for justifying more scope concessions.

This week's "Special MEC Meeting" may be worse than we thought.

I was not implying the Association lying prostrate.