FINALLY GOT IT UPLOADED,

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Welcome to APC. This topic brought me out of the "lurker" category to the "poster" category as well. I'm a North guy who's affected by this also. This was discussed for a couple of days in the "PWA Required" thread.

As you may know, parity was passed unanimously by the DAL-N LEC's. When it made it through the channels up to the MEC it died. Apparently it doesn't affect enough people (170 ish) to warrant a change. Keep in mind that it only affects those junior to the 12 year pay point. I agree that it's crap! Those of us that are affected by it are getting screwed twice, both by the lower pay rate for two months out of the year as well as the lower DC contribution until 2012. Is it fair? I would say no. But the argument was made that we got other enhancements that offset the negatives (higher payrates and a DC plan).

When I 1st started the debate on here I made the comment that I would not vote for a new contract that didn't fix this clause. But, after listening to the other side of the argument, I do now see both sides. I am still conflicted about it, but I do understand the logic from the MEC (eventhough I don't like it). While I agree with (I believe it was) Forgot to Bid that it's not really a "B" scale, it does create animosity in the 170 or so North guys that are affected by it. We'll see what happens.

I realize that and it is mentioned not to poke anyone in the eye but to rather point out this situation with nwa new hires was not done post jpwa. Evidently the distribution issue wasn't raised til the 11th hour 58th minute with signatures waiting. Should it be corrected? Yes. Will it? Probably, it better. Why wasn't it? Evidently it wasn't a priority to DALN negotiators because had it been mentioned it's seemingly a low cost fix. But the idea that DALS pilots want it that way is a farse and not appreciated, however, venting a frustration is perfectly acceptable and welcomed in the sense that if it's not brought up how would anyone daln or dals even know? Does this make sense?

Yuck.. cars. I know there are a lot of you out there with a passion for them.. to me they are just transportation. That being said, if ANYBODY is interested in restoring a 1974 Karmann Ghia (WARNING: it needs a lot of work) It is free (well.. almost anyway) to a good home. It has a Super Bug motor that is probably worth as much as the car. Send me a PM if there is any interest.

How can they when doing that would mean a representation failure at the regional alpa carriers:rolleyes: They would never hit that bee hive!!

the antimosity is warranted and I couldn't imagine it not being fixed, I just don't see this lasting 30+ years with these 170 pilots. It's crummy not be parity, I explained it above as it was explained to me by someone on the merger committee- I brought it up out of curiosity. I don't remember the specifics beyond what I wrote. I'll go read the pwa required thread to catch up. But if you put this one issue to a vote with dals pilots alone you'd get a overwhelming vote to fix it. I assume there are plenty of fixes in the queque, otherwise why would we need c2012?

I hope it gets fixed, thanks for letting us know.

Ftb The Last MD88 Air Bender :D

My earlier post was not meant to attack anything. I just wanted to point out that a "YES" vote on a contract does not mean that you agree with everything in it. It simply means that given the circumstances, you feel that it is better to take what's on the table vs continuing the negotiating process.

It is a shallow rebuttal at most to answer someones complaint of a specific area of our PWA by saying "but you voted yes."

If we are dumb enough to sell scope for pay, we have it coming to us. By then we have history as a lesson and cannot point a finger at anyone but the man in the mirror.
No PWA will get my vote if it gives up one iota of flying. (Yes even for a 500% pay raise, as it will be taken in the next CH11 round but the loss of flying will remain)

I would venture to bet if AMR or UAUA orders that jet, the 100 seat market will come to mainline. The biggest issue for a company is being the first to agree to let the over paid arrogant mainline pilots do it. If one agrees and the rest do not follow suit the competition is not balanced.

I do agree that the flying will come to mainline, but it will take a staring contest like no other.

Mem, what's a synonym for "Roger? I don't want to use the word Roger but it's the only word I can think of. Let me just reiterate: 1) it isn't right especially moving forward long term, 2) it should be changed, 3) I believe most everyone supports changing it.