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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
(Post 812033)
I ran into this when I had my CQ and was wondering, in vain, the same thing about the x days. If you look at LOA 20 under the last section, 13, you'll see the implementation schedule:
13. Duration and Implementation Schedule This LOA will become effective upon its date of signing and remain in effect concurrent with the PWA subject to the following systems implementation timeline. In each instance where a provision requires programming changes, the parties agree to explore manual or interim implementation solutions with the goal of implementing such provisions as soon as reasonably possible. Section 2 A. 256. distinct PBS/PCS designator for MAC rotations Rotations beginning in June 2010 bid period or earlier Section 8 F. 3. deadhead seating assignment changes Rotations beginning in August 2010 bid period or earlier Section 16 A. 16. MED designator Rotations beginning in August 2010 bid period or earlier Section 23 D. 10., P. 7. a., T. 3. b. and Z. 4. a.-b. PBS changes Rotations beginning in January 2011 bid period or earlier Section 23 G. 5. e. and 23 K. 1. g. waiver of recovery flying changes Rotations beginning in March 2010 bid period or earlier Section 23 L. 8. and 9. reroute pay change Rotations beginning in March 2010 bid period or earlier |
Originally Posted by JobHopper
(Post 812443)
Not familiar with the international rules in the PWA. I can agree that EXTENDING your crew day to conform to the international rules is perfectly legal. I think where we part company is in IGNORING the time you were already on call. At NWA, if we got called out on an international trip 10 hours into our reserve day, we were already 10 hours into our contractual/FAR duty limit.
My ignorance may be showing, but in reading this board it looks like DAL does disregard the time you were already on call. If that is true, I take serious exception to it. Its about lookback, and Whitlow only applies domestically. If we applied NWA interpretation you are mentioning - the reserve being on duty rules- at DAL, we would have an instant need for 20-25% more reserves... sounds like a hiring reason - I think we should do it. Really there are a couple reserve things that really chap me: 1. 24hr s/c for intl versus 12 for domestic - in effect twice the duty. 2. in the 777 there really is only about a 9-10 hour window where they need shortcalls in atl. In JFK theres about a 10 minute window. In DTW theres a small window too. It would be nice if shortcall lengths were tailored to the operation rather than "no I wont release you, you still have 20 hours left in s/c. 3.On the upside, domestic narrowbody folks can get brutalized on reserve, Long haul, that doent happen. |
Guys,
Check out this analysis of Frequent Flyer programs, I can just see DAL management saying "Thank God for USAIR!" kind of like Alabama is always saying "Thank God for Mississippi" when they come out 49th in education studies (Just kidding guys - I live in SOCAL were English is optional.) Anyway, what should passengers expect - If they can't get on a DAL flight when they pay $$$$ for a ticket (overbooking) can they honestly be surprised when they can't get on a flight with Delta bucks. :rolleyes: Some of these people act like they just won the lottery when they are bought off of an oversold flight - I wonder how they would feel after reading this report. :eek: OBTW I got this off the DALPA site: IdeaWorks made 6,160 booking queries at the websites of 22 frequent flier programs during February and March 2010. Travel dates spanned June through October 2010; 10 long-haul routes and 10 city pairs under 2,500 miles were checked to assess reward seat availability. Overall Reward Availability Ranked High to Low – Seat Availability for June – October 2010 % Availability Airline Program Name 99.3% Southwest Rapid Rewards 98.6% Air Berlin topbonus 93.6% Air Canada Aeroplan 90.0% Virgin Blue Velocity 85.7% Lufthansa/SWISS/Austrian Miles & More 77.1% Singapore Airlines KrisFlyer 76.4% Iberia Iberia Plus 75.0% Alaska Airlines Mileage Plan 72.9% Jet Airways Jet Privilege 72.9% Qantas Airways Frequent Flyer 71.4% Continental Airlines OnePass 68.6% United Airlines Mileage Plus 67.9% AirTran Airways A+ Rewards 67.1% Cathay Pacific Asia Miles 65.0% British Airways Executive Club 64.3% SAS Scandinavian EuroBonus 57.9% American Airlines AAdvantage 56.4% Air France/KLM Flying Blue 36.4% Emirates Skywards 35.3% Turkish Airlines Miles&Smiles 12.9% Delta Air Lines SkyMiles 10.7% US Airways Dividend Miles % of queries that result in outbound and return reward seats See “Notes regarding query methodology” at the end of this press release. |
Originally Posted by JobHopper
(Post 812434)
Using this logic, the company could call you at hour 19 of your short call day and send you out on 2 hours notice. After all, you were not used the prior 12 hours so you were not "on duty", at least according to your interpretation.
Sorry, but Whitlow was instituted to avoid the very look-back scenario you are espousing as legal. That's not to say Delta hasn't been getting away with this for years, but at NW we didn't let them. Gotta side with Super on this one.:) You can side with Super all you want to but this scenario as well as all the others I posted are perfectly legal (though some of my previous post is not contractual) As far as I know no one has pointed to an instance of the company doing anything that does not comply with the contract. I think Super said he would not accept an assignment to more that 6 days of RES without 24 hours off, if you are siding with Super on this you will be fighting the company without the support of ALPA or the FAA. BTW, I don't personally agree with or like a lot about the FARs or the way Delta does both domestic and international res, but I assure you that there is not even a gray area here regarding legality. -vpr |
I can end all the 9 day reserve discussion. Just finished 9 straight days. Called by Skeds on day 5 at noon and put on rest for 24 hours. Asked why and he said I would not be useable for the last 3 days if they didn't give me rest.
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VPR;
You are correct. They need a 24 hr break. It can be in a hotel, assigned, or 24hr of notice prior to a trip which would happen if you were assigned a trip for tomorrow at 0800 lcl and it reported anytime after the assigned time. The computer is set up to look at contractual and far requirements. Where they sometimes get in to trouble is when they are calling pilots for IA's and GS's. It does not check ones schedule it just calls in seniority or inverse order. They do not plug the trip in to your sked until they get a hold of you. I have been out the door for a trip, when I get a call saying oops, we put it in your schedule and it is illegal for XXX reason. |
I'm sweating this AE more than the others. The waiting is killing me.
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Yeah, from looking at the bids for First Officers it appears the f-NWA bases are going to go very junior, even the great bases like SEA. I never thought I could hold the 767 in Seattle, but apparently it is there for the taking. What a good deal.
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Your kidding, SEA junior? I really don't see that.
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
(Post 812224)
Take business cards with you, and present one to the A during boarding. She will present it to the Captain, who will often approve an upgrade. Shake hands with everyone you meet, and introduce yourself as a Delta "GP". That's their term for nonrevs. Noone knows what a "GP" means exactly (it must be a code for an old computer reservation system), but that's what you are.
Good luck. |
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