ACL or anyone. WHEN are the AE results going to be out?

Ok I'll Say it, WHERES THE BID RESULTS!!!!

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That's my guess. Orienstein's comments about the immediate fate of 500 employees suggests that those 50 seaters are coming out of the system not that the temporary restraining order has been lifted by the Judge's decision.

The larger RJ's will find a home, probably on a 2 for 1 basis as Delta continues to try to rationalize and draw down it's 50 seat jets.

As ACL will recall, these jets were awarded to Mesa / Freedom mostly to beat up on Comair and ASA while they were in negotiations. Freedom was set up as yet another alter ego to beat up on Mesa's own pilots who were in negotiations. At the time Mesa was making their crews sleep on airplanes during short overnight turns. Mesa ended up with lousy rates to recapture their own scope. Comair caved, stabbed ASA in the back while ASA held strong.

One sad result of this lawsuit is to illustrate yet again another example of management running an airline to beat up on labor rather than management running an airline to serve the customers. Another expensive debacle.

Another sad result of the mismanagement outsourced flying is the Passengers' Bill of Rights. As you can tell, regional airlines were strongly coerced into operating flights that it did not makes sense to operate. Those flights then diverted and got stuck, leading to passengers overnighting on jets and calls to Congress. At my former Regional the Chief Pilot literally screamed at the FO and I because, as a Captain, I did not keep passengers on the jet overnight on a diversion where the destination was a short 30 minute bus ride (but the coastal airport was fogged in).

I pleased the thing's is over with. Hope everyone learned something.

Honestly, I am glad to see DAL win this one. They can stick someone else out there if they want to.

This allows draw down of the 50 seat market by 22 more airframes, and may allow more. IMHO, it also keeps the company from finding alternate means to help operators draw down those jets.

If DAL would have lost this case, it would have left a bad precedent for the other DCI contracts.

BTW BAR, I told you DAL would win. We both read the filings to I think both of us are happy with the decision! :p

We are not required to read every post. I skim at least three or four different Forums. When a food fight starts you have to read every post to make sure the violation was not Quoted somewhere.

ACL,

The Judge reversed himself. Earlier he had stated Delta was in breach of an oral contract and that Delta was not credible. Then he ultimately decided that Delta could escape a contract, due at least in part, due to flight cancellations which Delta itself had requested.

Of course written contracts rule the day, but when the former COO comes in an testifies to a verbal modification, his story matches the allegations and Delta confesses to really sloppy management (creating an estoppel issue) I figured for sure Mesa had their case won.

Overall, only a small minority of plaintiffs ever win in Court. (Hence my excellent record) The Courts like the parties to work out their problems without intervention. The TRO gave Delta and Mesa time to work out their differences, but those differences turned out to be irreconcilable. IMHO, it first looked like an abusive husband, but then it turned out the wife was cheating on her billing to the tune of at least the 3 million. Divorce granted, Plaintiff, pay back the money you stole.

Of course I never liked the bride to begin with.

Bar,

I think you are on to something here - sounds like a new reality TV show - Survivor DCI!

Scoop :)

Yeah, the only reason why it stopped was that crews were taking videos and sending them to news stations.

You used to see Mesa crews walking through the airport with blue plywood pieces designed to fit in between the rows to bridge the aisle and make a bed.

Then the deal was apparently so good that it ended in millions of dollars in litigation, Delta got cheated out of another few million they can probably not recover and Congress stepped in to protect our passengers.

That's how our management and ALPA outsourced our jobs. Ugly 'eh?

Again, I sure hope we've learned something.

Scoop, He is not kidding. These guys doing "Highspeeds" or CDO's had planks of wood on the a/c that they could put across the isle to sleep on for a few hrs.

I do not think that TSA allows this anymore but it was common practice pre 9-11.

I agree Bar, glad it is over. I will be interested to see what the next steps are.

I think it is great that Delta won and we will hopefully see a few less RJ's flying the Delta code, however, I am concerned that this decision will further incentivise DCI carries to "complete every mission at all costs". You can witness this on a winter day where a nasty snow storm is choking an airport, all the mainline flights are cancelled yet all the DCI flights continue to operate.