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Fair enough, but have you asked your reps why they allowed this to stay? From what I have been told the former NWA reps are the ones that worked this side of the deal. I could be wrong though.
My point was that everyone what happy as heck with the JPWA, and this item was even discussed some 30K posts ago. MEM, I agree with what you are saying, and there is never a perfect agreement, but issues that deal with pay and retirement generally are deal breakers. This are the two issues that we are talking about today. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 828195)
Ok Johnso, Super, and the others from F-NWA that are effected by this DC issue; Did you vote Yes, or No on the PWA?
ACL, We were not allowed to vote, because we were on probation. Hence the shoved down our throat comment. |
MEM, my curiosity is why was it ever done this way? Really I do not know.
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 828234)
How about you and Buzz become co Fo reps. :rolleyes:
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 828254)
ACL,
We were not allowed to vote, because we were on probation. Hence the shoved down our throat comment. I beleive that a few ppl have stated who did this part of the deal, but there was never a reason as to why? To save space, read one of my posts a few back where I suggest telling your status reps to make the DC match and or longevity bumps an item they want as a gimmie on a LOA. It may not float, but you can voice your opinion. |
Originally Posted by buzzpat
(Post 828256)
I see a lot of drinking and joke telling being done...and very little to help the plight of the LA guys. You never want to get two old USAF guys together. So many lies, so little time.:p
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 828257)
So who are you blaming for this? All D-ALPA, the N reps, the N negotiators that came up with this, S Reps, S negotiators?
I beleive that a few ppl have stated who did this part of the deal, but there was never a reason as to why? To save space, read one of my posts a few back where I suggest telling your status reps to make the DC match and or longevity bumps an item they want as a gimmie on a LOA. It may not float, but you can voice your opinion. If I had to assign blame it'd go to the dysfunction that was the NWA MEC. Bottom line is I was along for the ride, as my opinion meant nothing and I did not have voting power. Like I said, this is NOT a N vs. S issue. This is not to cause divide. I can even live with the disparity in DC UNTIL we hire. Once a newhire comes in and makes more in DC, that's when my heartburn begins. I've written my reps & taken my survey. I just wonder if anyone will listen. Sorry for the angst I've caused. I never intended to be divisive, only to inform. So few of us are effected by it I don't know if many know about it. |
Johnso, A lot of ppl know about it. The rationale for some may be different than yours, but I totally get where you are coming from.
4% DC for 200 pilots is not much, and maybe it will get solved. If it does not, the last thing I want is for your guys to rehash this for the rest of all of our careers. I know a great many in that group, and sympathize with you. As I have suggested keep writing and keep the heat on. |
Originally Posted by Nosmo King
(Post 828150)
Two observations and then buzz can try and blame me for starting the current food fight.
Survey Comments. Keenster is not seniority 45xx, it was not his response on the ALPA survey, he said it was emailed to him, presumably by the pilot that did the survey. Sailing is responding as though it was keensters complaint, it's not. For buzz's benefit, it's not mine either, I don't fly the 747. Procedures. I'm sure someone will correct this, but I believe Delta used to use procedures and manuals a lot more similar to fNW until the lawyers did their bullshi* thing and recommended the move to Boeing standard. I seem to recall DAL either buying or at least thinking of buying SOPA, SMAC and other stuff from fNW after the Dallas 727 accident? Maybe I'm remembering incorrectly. I have been hearing RUMORS that split checklists will be going away soon. After the 87 DTW accident fNW spent megabucks and hired a firm to analyze what changes would make things safer and possibly prevent a repeat incident. Top two recommendations out of that study? No split checklists. Each pilot should do the exact same thing procedurally on every flight. As few variations as possible. (SOPA/SMAC) My $.02 Crystal ball prediction. In 2 or 3 years we will be MUCH closer to fNW procedures than we are now. |
Originally Posted by acl65pilot
(Post 828265)
Johnso, A lot of ppl know about it. The rationale for some may be different than yours, but I totally get where you are coming from.
4% DC for 200 pilots is not much, and maybe it will get solved. If it does not, the last thing I want is for your guys to rehash this for the rest of all of our careers. I know a great many in that group, and sympathize with you. As I have suggested keep writing and keep the heat on. However, if it does not get fixed I will live & live happily. I still consider us to be in a very good place. I feel very fortunate to be here. Thanks for your input. :) |
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