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Originally Posted by Tomcat
(Post 857970)
This is not what they are putting out at the schoolhouse. I know of no limits in Volume 1, but we were told anything above 40% is reported to FOQA.
My entire point about the SE taxi is that although I think we should do it, as a FO that's new to the fleet and new to a North base, it's really up to you as the LCA pilots to encourage this cultural change with your Captains. After I've been in the fleet a little longer, I will spend more effort trying to influence these changes. V/R, TC |
Originally Posted by NWA320pilot
(Post 857957)
The pilots compensation level is a small part of the operating an aircraft...... We continually sell ourselves short by thinking what we had in not obtainable. What we need is pre-BK compensation + COLA.
I do not argue that. I beleive just by doing some simple math that our percentage of the revenue is about 7-8%. If the total revenue grows by five billion I do not think that the company would have too much heart burn with what we are deeming restoration. I am all for going for restoration, but from the talks I have had with fellow pilots I am not too sure that the simple majority are. We could debate a 20% bump then a 10% bump with a contract than give five to seven percent for the duration. One that has a lower percentage and a COLA (buying power), a ten year deal with 20% then five and cola every year all day. Fact is that when you run the math many of the more pragmatic solutions generally we will come out head if we would remain in section six over two and a half years. (assuming we do not get 100% retro) The law of compounding is important, restoration compensation is important, and others. What I think all of us need to do is take a look at the options, years to attain each option and then determine which one puts more money in each pilots pocket at the end state of the next agreement. Do we really want to be in section six talks all the way though the next boom? Maybe, give your input to your reps. |
Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 857934)
You sir, are an exception to the rule. A true forum radical.
I admire your work both here and over at the dalpa site. Truly MUST READ stuff. If everyone were as aware of our circumstances I'd be far more confident about 2012. Maybe as the amendable date approaches, you and I will be more successful in raising awareness of the monumental hole that we are in and what its going to take to even get back to ground level. Actually, it's kind of funny. Until we took such massive and unwarranted cuts, I never considered myself a "radical". I'm sure that anyone who knew me back then would attest to that. I'm just a person who calls it the way I see it. And what management did to this pilot group... using a unique set of cirumstances to take extreme advantage of us just because they could, and continuing it to this day... is just wrong. It's bad ethics and it's bad business. And that's exactly what I think of it. If that makes me a "radical", then so be it. I do appreciate your comments. And I hope you're right that some of this discussion will raise awareness in our pilot group. I think we definitely suffer from some apathy and defeatist attitudes... |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 857950)
Check,
I know you as well as many others are interested in restoration. Does your definition of restoration include scope? Are we in agreement that C2K plus anything is not even a starting point if further scope RELIEF is asked for? I think you are right to be worried though. ACL made a very important observation a few pages ago. A big chunk of the seniority list only has one more contract before retirement. There is going to be temptation to go for cash at the expense of longer term goals. Management could play that card if they choose. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 857950)
Check,
I know you as well as many others are interested in restoration. Does your definition of restoration include scope? Are we in agreement that C2K plus anything is not even a starting point if further scope RELIEF is asked for? |
Somebody is unloading DAL....
....high volume vs. other airlines and it is down 6 to 7 %. Some fund manager is dumping it.
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Originally Posted by Check Essential
(Post 857986)
Absolutely.
I think you are right to be worried though. ACL made a very important observation a few pages ago. A big chunk of the seniority list only has one more contract before retirement. There is going to be temptation to go for cash at the expense of longer term goals. Management could play that card if they choose.
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 857990)
I know you didn't ask me, but I'll just offer that my definition of restoration is not solely based on pay. Scope is an extremely important part of it, IMO. I completely agree with your last sentence.
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Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 857973)
You definitely have to be smart about SE Taxi, especially in the small alleys in MEM.
You know I'm completely on board with SE taxi. But I just thought I should point out that MEM 10-7A page says no SE taxiing in the alleys inside of spots 1 & 3 (the small alleys). |
Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
(Post 857994)
johnso,
You know I'm completely on board with SE taxi. But I just thought I should point out that MEM 10-7A page says no SE taxiing in the alleys inside of spots 1 & 3. Yup, I haven't been in there in a while and forgot about that. There are also some restrictions going in to gates at LGA, DTW, and other places I can't remember off the top of my head. |
Originally Posted by johnso29
(Post 857973)
Very true, but FOQA cannot be used for disciplinary purposes.
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