Airline Pilot Central Forums - Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?

I remember reading some of the NWAs bankruptcy transcripts where they were discussing what became Compass. We told them we would fly the E175s, for the same rate, they just needed to make us an offer. The boy genius on the stand said we couldn't because of "Mainline Creep". Haven't heard the term before or since.:D

I guess what he was really saying was that if you fly for Compass, don't ever expect any sort of raise in your lifetime. Wasn't it ASA where they flew for several years without a contract? The only "Creep" those guys saw were "Management Creeps.":rolleyes:

upndsky

09-05-2010 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 866168)

So does the company have to be in compliance with the PWA Staffing Requirements that are posted on the Flt Ops page? Just curious, as it says that Dec 2010 requires roughly 260 DTW 320 FO's and I'm supposed to move up in category by about 50 numbers from Oct to Dec! :eek:

Doesn't seem like they'll be able to get all those bodies trained and in position by December. :confused:

Johnson, how do you figure you'll move up 50 numbers by Dec? The latest 22D3 calls for around 260 DTW320Bs. The Sep category list had 260 pilots in your category and you're 254. I'm sure there will be some movement with this latest bid, but I'm just curious how you come up with 50 numbers.

johnso29

09-05-2010 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by acl65pilot (Post 866247)

They have to be in compliance with the PBS staffing formula and they should be. What you see in the projected head count is their ideal number.

Projected Category lists are just that projected, and frankly they are always changing.

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

johnso29

09-05-2010 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 866263)

Because the projected category list has me at around 200 for December 2010. I realize that this is subject to change, but that was a result of the last AE so I think it should be somewhat close.

upndsky

09-05-2010 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 866269)

Because the projected category list has me at around 200 for December 2010. I realize that this is subject to change, but that was a result of the last AE so I think it should be somewhat close.

I see, but that's based on 206 pilots, so percentage-wise, that still puts you very near the bottom. To move up 50 numbers based on bringing the category back up to 250-260, they'd have to fill that with new-hires, and I don't think many new hires this last time around got DTW320B.

I'm just saying that looking at percentages rather than physical numbers is probably more accurate.

BTW, I'm in similar boat like you and looking at the options.

Waves

09-05-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 866265)

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

Johnso, yes they publish those numbers frequently and I’m pretty sure that ALPA can give them to you at any point in time. At least they should be able to because they are required to ensure the minimal staffing requirements are met. In the past, management has been terrible at maintaining the minimum contractual required staffing. What’s worse is that ALPA didn’t seem to ever challenge them on it. Management seems to be much better about that now though. The projected staffing numbers are actually pretty darn accurate, give or take a number or two. If you are projected to be 200, unless something weird happens, you can pretty much bank on it. However, like upndsky points out, if there aren't new hire pilots available to fill those slots, then all bets are off.

johnso29

09-05-2010 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by upndsky (Post 866274)

I know, & the 22.D for December 2010 shows 260 DTW 320 FO's which would put me around 76%, and that's why I'm trying to figure out if the numbers are close to what they must meet.

Going2Baja

09-05-2010 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Adolphus Coors (Post 866245)

I was wondering the same thing. It looked like they had 60 unfilled DTW 320 B positions. Surely they haven't been filled by new hires already. Shouldn't they be available to bid on this AE???

The 1st 'new hires' start A320 training this coming Tuesday. The 1st group of bypassers will be done next week. I think a total of 10 or so will be headed for DTW by the end of the month. The other 16 of us are MSP & SLC.

Baja.

RunFast

09-05-2010 08:36 AM

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alfaromeo

09-05-2010 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 866265)

Huh, so there's a min number they have to meet. Do they ever post that number?

Go to the DALPA website and look under the Contract Administration Committee. Then look for the Bid Monitor Reports. It will show you the min required staffing and the actual staffing. On average, the airline is staffed about 7% above the min required staffing. The min staffing formula is built for an airline, economy, weather, etc. that all behaves in an even predictable way. We all know that unpredictability is the only thing predictable in all those factors, thus the overstaffing.

The staffing is broken down by category (Base,Equipment,Seat) but the contract requires staffing to match by position (Equipment,Seat). Thus one base could be understaffed while other bases are overstaffed and they could still be in compliance with the contract.

Probably more than you were looking for, but that's how it works.

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