So let me get this straight, someone who got a ton of GS in the summer and is going to have a bigger W-2 is now going to get MORE money with the profit sharing as well?

my numbers for profit sharing are based off of the Negotiators Notepad on the DALPA website.

Super quick version: DAL pilots make up about 1/3 of the "non-merit pool" employees (i.e. non-management).

Therefore we get about $86.67 Million to divide among the pilots.

If the "average" pilot makes about $140k (that is my number, its a total WAG). Multiply that by about 11000 active pilots.

Take your "total pilot payroll" number and divide that by the 86.67 mil and you get about 5.5-6.5% range with room for error in estimates.

That is how I arrived at my number. YMMV.

But with a lot of guys, that's exactly what happened. It happened to me, and I promise you I'm not lying. With the next hike in my pay rate, I'll be back to where I would be under the old NWA contract. Some senior guys have more than made up for it by doing the green slip thing and that's great. But a lot of us aren't at the top of the category to do that.

I don't know if it was a dig either, it was just factually incorrect. Both groups were unified after BK, not just DAL. Both groups ended up with very similar contracts after BK. Post BK, the merger went relatively smoothly not because of the iconic status of one man - rather it was the relative sensibility of both groups.

And you would be correct. But alfa etal don't agree.

Then you didn't read closely enough. The total costs of the 2 post BK contracts were very close. DAL had higher pay rates, but with lower guarantees...etc. The 2 contracts were not very different from a cost point of view. Both sides took too many concessions. But then again, BK gave neither side very many good choices.

Carl

For me, the biggest one is the reserve guarantee. I used to be able to count on not being on reserve because we had separate block and reserve categories. Now I end up on reserve a lot because of vacation, training, or carry in time makes building a schedule impossible...thus you're stuck at reserve guarantee.

Others have other reasons...but that one has kept my earnings down from the NWA days.

Patiently waiting now for someone to call me a whiner! ;)

Carl

First off, I've called nobody an idiot and I don't know why you would say that.

The reason his entire post is wrong is not just because of a 13% figure, it's because of the same mistake that some make here. That mistake is comparing the pay rates in effect when the NWA contract became moot, to the current pay rates of the new PWA. Some like slowplay even go so far as to say that NWA had no increases in their contract. It's not only wrong, it's about as wrong and misleading as you can possibly get.

But as you said, you decide who's right.

Carl

Just to add...........I wrote it a page ago and took it down........but what the heck.

I MAY make less, (but I've never sat down and looked closely so it's just a feeling), due to the lack of time and a half over 80.

Many months, like the last several, I would have made more since those months were over 80. Add to that, an extra day in Asia.......and ka ching.

I never commuted to "high time" (NWA) and won't commute to a green slip for the same reason...........I'm sure it pi$$es of the commuter gods. But, like I said, I have a feeling I'm slightly worse off under this work rule alone.

Anyone have a good idea what the difference between our old 4:15 day vs our current average day does? I've heard this one both ways too.

Once again guys............things for 2012 openers, it does us no good beating each other up over it now.

JMHO,
Ferd

Checking level at 35... oh dear Lord... :D

Soft porn, you got it!!!

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you meant pics from the underground world of airline porn right?

oh wait... sorry...

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WAR CAM EAGLE!

Tomorrow night, 7pt ET, ESPN, Auburn at home vs Clemson. I hope Auburn wins.

FWIW, coming from the peanut gallery:

Economy 2008-2009, bad.
Merger, good.
Pilots pay rates increase, good.
Pilots not making as many hours as pre-merger, pre-bad economy, bad.
Pilots making 218 hours of pay on 95 hours of flying, awesome.

Changing work rules so all pilots fly above guarantee and making lots of money, good... UNLESS, in this soft economy it then creates over staffing and then furloughs. And those of us at the bottom go from being insiders to being outsiders.

My vote, that'd be bad. But thats because my number one concern is a blonde hair blue eyed squeeze-a-muffin with not a care in the world watching Barney right now wanting me to kiss her bunny.

You know there are some major and minor winners and losers in this whole merger, but I can think of some winners. The guys who once commuted and now don't. The long time DC9 LCA who lived in Brooklyn who now drives to work to fly a DC9 stretch. I know of a ATL 88 guy who has moved back to MSP I think to be back with his wifes family.

I'll be back, after a certain 26 lb beats me l'oi

Oh man, how cool is that!!

Carl