Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
09-16-2010 | 07:36 AM
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Anyone doing the ATL-MEM commute? How are the loads generally? Is FedEx a good backup, or more of a hassle than it's worth? Are jumpseats usually available?
How is the crashpad situation in MEM? Do you need a car? Are there cheap commuter hotels?
I'm coming from DTW so I'm not willing to go over $37/night for a commuter hotel
Thanks!
How is the crashpad situation in MEM? Do you need a car? Are there cheap commuter hotels?
I'm coming from DTW so I'm not willing to go over $37/night for a commuter hotel
Thanks!
09-16-2010 | 07:37 AM
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Actually you're missing A LOT! The 767 is a much different airplane, for one thing I can't find where I'm really supposed to store my bag. The instructors said the front closet but the first time I did that, the MSP Purser kicked me in the nuts. However, the first southie girls I flew with (SLC) only asked that I put mine in first so she could have access to hers. Then, of course, are the GE engines........oh wait, those are easier to start, never mind.
90% plus is a 757. It flys just like a -300, has that same "heavy feel" except it doesn't float on landing. IE, you have to keep the power on just like you do on a 9-50 vs a -30.
As I've said before, NUMEROUS TIMES, I'm glad the company cared enough to give us bounces and TOE to make sure we had the different crossing procedures down (which were 6 of one, half dozen of the other type changes).
I guess I'll agree with T, as you can't change his mind on anything anyway and just say FINE we should have rebid MSP and DTW. But I don't think much would have changed because everyone knows those places $uck. One of the funniest guys in NRT now is an exATL guy who commutes out of DFW. He was real tired of beating his head against the DFW>ATL wall and just came up to MSP because, "I wanted to go where I figured NO one else was going".
Can we put this to rest, what a dumb discussion........see T, I agree with you again.
Ferd
Actually you're missing A LOT! The 767 is a much different airplane, for one thing I can't find where I'm really supposed to store my bag. The instructors said the front closet but the first time I did that, the MSP Purser kicked me in the nuts. However, the first southie girls I flew with (SLC) only asked that I put mine in first so she could have access to hers. Then, of course, are the GE engines........oh wait, those are easier to start, never mind.
90% plus is a 757. It flys just like a -300, has that same "heavy feel" except it doesn't float on landing. IE, you have to keep the power on just like you do on a 9-50 vs a -30.
As I've said before, NUMEROUS TIMES, I'm glad the company cared enough to give us bounces and TOE to make sure we had the different crossing procedures down (which were 6 of one, half dozen of the other type changes).
I guess I'll agree with T, as you can't change his mind on anything anyway and just say FINE we should have rebid MSP and DTW. But I don't think much would have changed because everyone knows those places $uck. One of the funniest guys in NRT now is an exATL guy who commutes out of DFW. He was real tired of beating his head against the DFW>ATL wall and just came up to MSP because, "I wanted to go where I figured NO one else was going".
Can we put this to rest, what a dumb discussion........see T, I agree with you again.
Ferd
Good luck to everyone in staying where you want to stay and going to where you want to go.
09-16-2010 | 07:42 AM
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09-16-2010 | 07:48 AM
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You may be right, but I would argue that those who have actually lived under both systems have the better perspective.
The scenario you described with the seasonal commuters would not likely happen. Under the APA system, if they closed the category, everyone could displace into anything else they liked. This constant waterfall training effect would far outweigh any potential savings on DH.
Ultimately it doesn't matter, but you will be hard pressed to convince any FNWA that the AE is better for pilots. As was previously described Delta can time their AE's to just before a wave of freezes expires (with only a few bids a year, they know when a large bulk of freezes are about to expire.) With monthly bids, your two year seatlock is only two years. Here it is potentially 2 years, plus however long it takes them to run another AE, and THEN you have potentially a year while you wait for them to convert you. If you're stuck in an undesirable situation it could be for a much longer time under the AE system.
I'm on board with our new favorite way of doing things. Just trying to shed some light on why you guys are seeing so much desire to return to the old favorite way.
The scenario you described with the seasonal commuters would not likely happen. Under the APA system, if they closed the category, everyone could displace into anything else they liked. This constant waterfall training effect would far outweigh any potential savings on DH.
Ultimately it doesn't matter, but you will be hard pressed to convince any FNWA that the AE is better for pilots. As was previously described Delta can time their AE's to just before a wave of freezes expires (with only a few bids a year, they know when a large bulk of freezes are about to expire.) With monthly bids, your two year seatlock is only two years. Here it is potentially 2 years, plus however long it takes them to run another AE, and THEN you have potentially a year while you wait for them to convert you. If you're stuck in an undesirable situation it could be for a much longer time under the AE system.
I'm on board with our new favorite way of doing things. Just trying to shed some light on why you guys are seeing so much desire to return to the old favorite way.
They would not have to shutter an entire category and those most effected would be junior pilots that would be constantly shifting from one seat to the next.
The AE system is slower and it is much harder to sharp shoot immediate changes to the flying needs. The means that generally speaking the company will over staff jets just to make sure they have enough bodies is marketing "thinks" they may need.
An APA system allows tighter staffing and quicker shifts to staffing.
I have worked under both types of systems and have likes and dislikes of both systems. My opinion is neither type of award system is perfect, but I prefer larger bids. What I would like to see is more transparency in what "all" pilots are bidding and where I will sit and any given time on any jet in any seat based on the 22D reports. This functionality can be incorporated in to dbms, and is something that the SOT should look at.
09-16-2010 | 07:52 AM
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09-16-2010 | 08:02 AM
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09-16-2010 | 08:07 AM
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I don't think that you can look at just the bidding system separately. There are other things in each of the contracts that allowed the system to work effectively and relatively efficiently. ALV for the entire fleet does not allow the company as much flexibility in creating schedules without as much dh penalty. The NWA system allowed for the monthly maxes to vary by base/category/seat. I really don't care which system we use (I actually prefer the monthly system however), but no matter what system we use, there is no reason that we shouldn't be allowed to have more visibility into what everyone else is bidding (the NWA system was great in that it allowed you to see exactly who was bidding what and where that seat was in there overall preferences).
09-16-2010 | 08:19 AM
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Come on newKnow, she is only 70 years old. I saw Betty White take a hit in a football game:
YouTube - Snickers Commercial: Game
YouTube - Snickers Commercial: Game
See. There is a perfect lead in for ts to post a picture of the hit Tbow took from that safety (forgot his name) in the UF/UT game last year.
09-16-2010 | 08:22 AM
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What is the historical percentile for being a line holder in a domestic category at Delta been? 2008-2009 were not realistic due to the overstaffing in some cats. that the company held vs displacing. Would 75-80% be realistic?
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