Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
02-16-2009, 07:25 PM
#4861
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Originally Posted by Bucking Bar
Oh no... the virus has spread to the "latest and greatest" thread. Let me set down the White Russian and get all of you some aspirin.
The RJDC no longer exists, the Corporation was dissolved. There is no such thing as the "RJDC settlement agreement."
There is the ALPA administrative policy manual. It requires that MEC's submit their scope openers to National, the MEC's attempt to resolve their differences and if they are unable to do so, ALPA National has the power to withhold the President's signature.
For the near future, that policy will be monitored by the (is NY the 6th District, I forgot) Federal Court. There is a Ford and Cooksey action, resolved as a class action which held ~2,500 Comair and ASA pilots. It is available, it is a public document, but I'm on the road and don't have the link with me.
ALPA is abiding, I know, the dude abides.... you all know that. Don't go all Walter on me.
Bottom line, no MEC can negotiate scope unilaterally. ALPA National is supposed to keep the kids from fighting. That has always been their job, they just have to be a better parent now.
But really, could we avoid a hijack of just this one thread. I like coming here to learn the latest and greatest, not a decades old fight between ALPA bros.
The RJDC no longer exists, the Corporation was dissolved. There is no such thing as the "RJDC settlement agreement."
There is the ALPA administrative policy manual. It requires that MEC's submit their scope openers to National, the MEC's attempt to resolve their differences and if they are unable to do so, ALPA National has the power to withhold the President's signature.
For the near future, that policy will be monitored by the (is NY the 6th District, I forgot) Federal Court. There is a Ford and Cooksey action, resolved as a class action which held ~2,500 Comair and ASA pilots. It is available, it is a public document, but I'm on the road and don't have the link with me.
ALPA is abiding, I know, the dude abides.... you all know that. Don't go all Walter on me.
Bottom line, no MEC can negotiate scope unilaterally. ALPA National is supposed to keep the kids from fighting. That has always been their job, they just have to be a better parent now.
But really, could we avoid a hijack of just this one thread. I like coming here to learn the latest and greatest, not a decades old fight between ALPA bros.
02-16-2009, 07:55 PM
#4862
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Interesting......he can't respond to this one.
02-16-2009, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride
02-16-2009, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Joemerchant
Actually I can....most of what Bucking Bar says is correct....The only part that isn't 100% correct is that ALPA isn't abiding by the agreement and legal action is being pursued yet again......
02-16-2009, 08:25 PM
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Beer is going to training soon on the 88, if the 90 is in the works I wonder if they'll bring it up during the pending training of the displaced pilots.
02-17-2009, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
I agree. It is beside the point but only to a point.
What if DAL comes and offers 25 757s added to the fleet, are we certain LM wouldn't give up more scope?
What if DAL comes and offers 25 757s added to the fleet, are we certain LM wouldn't give up more scope?
Carl
02-17-2009, 05:29 AM
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Originally Posted by reddog25
What...probably difference training consisting on distance learning, followed by a sim ride and a check ride
02-17-2009, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Well if the RJDC no longer exists, then I would say the agreement no longer exists.
I am glad that Bar cleared this up. I apologize for using RJDC, but using the Ford/ Cooksey settlement would have confused a lot of us. They are the godfathers of this, and what the settlement is named Bar is correct when he stats that using RJDC is only hurtful and brings up hate using that term.
Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.
02-17-2009, 06:25 AM
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Originally Posted by acl65pilot
I am glad that Bar cleared this up. I apologize for using RJDC, but using the Ford/ Cooksey settlement would have confused a lot of us. They are the godfathers of this, and what the settlement is named Bar is correct when he stats that using RJDC is only hurtful and brings up hate using that term.
Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.
Bar is 100% correct. This issues has a settlement with ALPA national. The way I see it these individuals had constructive notice due to the fact that they knew what NWA's PWA had in it, and the fact that the merger was no secret.
There two LOA's came over intact. Delta management accepted them as is. Due to their language, it now covers other DCI carriers. I am sure there will be a fight about this, but we need to fight for the scope of protections that these LOA's will afford us.
02-17-2009, 06:27 AM
#4870
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At any rate, I'm sure Comair pilots will welcome us with open arms!
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