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johnso29 03-03-2011 11:42 AM

Sec 23 question....

I have a 4 day on 3/9 with a LCA. As of now the only other trip in open time starts earlier then my original show, so I know they can't give me that if I get pulled for OE. However, there is a 3 day that starts on 3/10. Can they give me that since it finishes on the same calendar day as my original 4 day? The report is also earlier then my original report.

I just wasn't sure if they can assign an open time trip to me on 3/8 that reports on 3/10.

forgot to bid 03-03-2011 11:44 AM


Originally Posted by Ferd149 (Post 957481)
My apologies to the board for my poor behavior last night. PMs have been sent.........

I hope good carma returns.

Your humble Jackwagon,

Ferd

We need to hug it out.

Well not us. How about we watch others hug it out.

Super? Where are you? Any ideas?

80ktsClamp 03-03-2011 11:49 AM


Originally Posted by forgot to bid (Post 957487)
We need to hug it out.

Well not us. How about we watch others hug it out.

Super? Where are you? Any ideas?

I think another idea from the Office is appropriate. In the hood, we called it "fluffy fingers."

When someones giving you crap... you just start tickling them.

forgot to bid 03-03-2011 11:51 AM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 957485)
Sec 23 question....

I have a 4 day on 3/9 with a LCA. As of now the only other trip in open time starts earlier then my original show, so I know they can't give me that if I get pulled for OE. However, there is a 3 day that starts on 3/10. Can they give me that since it finishes on the same calendar day as my original 4 day? The report is also earlier then my original report.

I just wasn't sure if they can assign an open time trip to me on 3/8 that reports on 3/10.

I don't trust what I say so this is from WSC:


Regular First Offi cers Removed for OE
If a regular First Offi cer is removed from his entire rotation for another
pilot’s OE, he will be subject to recovery fl ying under Section 23 G. 5. a.
1. The Company must attempt to notify him of his recovery fl ying at
least 12 hours prior to his original report. If he has not been assigned
recovery fl ying by that time, he has no further recovery obligation.
2. He can be assigned a single rotation that reports on any day of the
original rotation but no earlier than his original report, and releases
no later than 4 hours after his original release or the same calendar
day, whichever is later.
a. If the assignment to recovery flying is being made within 24
hours of his original report and the recovery flying reports on
the same day as the originally scheduled rotation, he will only
be assigned recovery flying under Section 23 N. 3 (after white
slips).

b. If the assignment to recovery flying is being made more than 24
hours prior to his original report, or the recovery flying reports
after A day of the original rotation, he will be assigned recovery
flying prior to any assignment made under Section 23 N. 1.
3. If he is removed from all or part of his recovery rotation, he cannot
be assigned additional recovery flying.
4. If he has not acknowledged his recovery fl ying three hours prior
to his original report, the recovery fl ying may be removed, and he
will be subject to recovery fl ying under Section 23 K. 1. (Refer to
“Regular Pilots Removed for IROPS” above.)

Example 1:
A First Offi cer is scheduled for a rotation reporting on Wednesday at
1600 and releasing on Friday at 1700. The LCP removes him from
the rotation for another pilot’s OE, and he acknowledges his assigned
recovery fl ying no later than 1300 on Wednesday.
Results:
1. The company may assign him a single recovery rotation no later
than 0400 on Wednesday.
2. Recovery fl ying may report no earlier than 1600 on Wednesday
and must be scheduled to release no later than 2359 on Friday.
3. After 1600 on Tuesday, the company may assign him recovery
fl ying reporting on Wednesday only under Section 23 N.3 (after
white slips).
4. The Company may assign him to recovery fl ying reporting on
Thursday or Friday prior to any assignment made under Section
23 N.1.
5. If no recovery fl ying is assigned by 0400 on Wednesday, he has
no further recovery obligation.
Also, here's is one option in bold:


Rotation Guarantee Recovery (23 K.)
A regular pilot who is removed from a rotation due to IROPS affecting his rotation (other
than an FAR 30-in-7 conflict or under Section 23 G. 5. a. 2), and who is notified of the
change to such rotation before the airborne departure of its first flight segment, will remain
available and may be assigned and must report for recovery flying as described in Section
23 K. 1. and 2. A pilot who is projected to exceed the FAR 30-in-7 limitation will be
removed from all or part of his rotation, and is not subject to recovery flying. (Section 23 K.
3. and 4.)
The Company has a single opportunity to assign a pilot recovery flying. If the pilot is
subsequently removed from the recovery rotation, he cannot be assigned a second recovery
rotation.
A pilot may be released from recovery obligation if he waives his rotation guarantee and
Crew Scheduling agrees to release him. Under certain circumstances, a pilot who is
assigned recovery flying may be entitled to a hotel room at his base (Section 5 E. 1. c. and
d.).
(See also: WSC pages 32-33 and TWG Notepad 09-11)

forgot to bid 03-03-2011 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by 80ktsClamp (Post 957490)
I think another idea from the Office is appropriate. In the hood, we called it "fluffy fingers."

When someones giving you crap... you just start tickling them.

Uh, and your picture is where?

RockyBoy 03-03-2011 12:28 PM


Originally Posted by johnso29 (Post 957485)
Sec 23 question....

I have a 4 day on 3/9 with a LCA. As of now the only other trip in open time starts earlier then my original show, so I know they can't give me that if I get pulled for OE. However, there is a 3 day that starts on 3/10. Can they give me that since it finishes on the same calendar day as my original 4 day? The report is also earlier then my original report.

I just wasn't sure if they can assign an open time trip to me on 3/8 that reports on 3/10.

Yes, they can as long as they give it to you prior to 12 hours before the report of the original rotation.

KC10 FATboy 03-03-2011 12:50 PM

Today in class, a fourth floor management type said that DAL now has contracts on 56 MD-90s. Something was mentioned about JAL birds.

scambo1 03-03-2011 01:03 PM


Originally Posted by DelDah Capt (Post 957442)
ronnie,

For whatever reason, you have to enter your own Training times or you will not get perdiem. Go to ICrew, look under the PAY/HOURS tab and then find EXPENSES and eventually the link for ADD/UPDATE TRAINING EXPENSES. I do it from the start to end of my Training DH flights.

Okay,

I'm a DALS guy, but I never knew that. Talk about Amish. sheesh.

capncrunch 03-03-2011 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by KC10 FATboy (Post 957520)
Today in class, a fourth floor management type said that DAL now has contracts on 56 MD-90s. Something was mentioned about JAL birds.

Any other rumors? Anything about hiring?

maddogmax 03-03-2011 01:09 PM


Originally Posted by capncrunch (Post 957514)

How did you get that picture of my daughter? I was going to say wife but knew no one would believe me!


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