Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-12-2011, 08:26 AM
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Originally Posted by forgot to bid
Please tell me your kidding Check? I've been looking all over the website and didn't see anything.
04-12-2011, 08:31 AM
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Originally Posted by whaledriver1
Insulting... perhaps - True... YES.
A stronger union may require adding a little more red, the cobra is known to have very a mean bite when provoked.
A stronger union may require adding a little more red, the cobra is known to have very a mean bite when provoked.
That being said, the "go with the flow" mentality I found after the merger is equally disturbing. I credit the DPA with finally starting some intelligent debate and creating more involvement with the process. I hope it bears fruit regardless of the outcome.
04-12-2011, 08:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
You're not overwhelmed by the cobra myth either?
Originally Posted by Sink r8
It's pretty simple for me: if the myth was true, the cobra would have enjoyed far superior outcomes (pay, working conditions, etc.) than the alternative. I think potentialy all the venom was misdirected. Like towards each other.
Either way, while I'm not interested in reviving that defunct animal, I am in agreement that on our side of the house, we've gotten rather...soft. We were fairly clever with constructive engagement a few times, but perhaps we're starting to look as if we don't value engagement as a tool, but an objective.
I'm more interested in some sort of synergy between some of their better tactics, and some of ours. It would be a shame if the pilot group failed to realize synergies of the merger, wouldn't it?
Either way, while I'm not interested in reviving that defunct animal, I am in agreement that on our side of the house, we've gotten rather...soft. We were fairly clever with constructive engagement a few times, but perhaps we're starting to look as if we don't value engagement as a tool, but an objective.
I'm more interested in some sort of synergy between some of their better tactics, and some of ours. It would be a shame if the pilot group failed to realize synergies of the merger, wouldn't it?
04-12-2011, 08:35 AM
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Originally Posted by JobHopper
I think some added vim and vigor would do this union some good, but I am tiring of the Red/Blue debate. I remember the saber rattling prior to our '98 strike. Three weeks later we walked in with virtually the same contract we struck over. My thoughts at the time: "That was a waste. Why did we bother?" The cobra did not impress me as being very smart.
That being said, the "go with the flow" mentality I found after the merger is equally disturbing. I credit the DPA with finally starting some intelligent debate and creating more involvement with the process. I hope it bears fruit regardless of the outcome.
That being said, the "go with the flow" mentality I found after the merger is equally disturbing. I credit the DPA with finally starting some intelligent debate and creating more involvement with the process. I hope it bears fruit regardless of the outcome.
04-12-2011, 08:37 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
They keep saying that we can't do that because of security issues. Maybe that is a legitimate concern, but they could have a kill switch or some kind of device similar to what a courtroom uses when a judge has a sidebar that excludes those not directly involved in the issue to hear it. I know that would evoke a cry of censorship, but it would be vastly better than what is going on now...
Originally Posted by Dash8widget
Maybe, maybe not 
A while back a NW 330 did something similar to a Horizon dash-8 in PDX. They had to completely remove the entire tail section and attach a new one - but they did it, and the plane went on to fly again. In fact, it ended up being one of the straightest flying Dashes in the QX fleet!
A while back a NW 330 did something similar to a Horizon dash-8 in PDX. They had to completely remove the entire tail section and attach a new one - but they did it, and the plane went on to fly again. In fact, it ended up being one of the straightest flying Dashes in the QX fleet!http://www.myaviation.net/search/dis...253&ViD=middle
04-12-2011, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
I never saw that coming. Let me get this straight: you're saying that they... would have no incentive... so it wouldn't get done?
I'd be tickled pink if they did but I'm not going to think twice about it because why give up that kind of power to hot headed unlearned pilots who haven't paid their dues by coming and volunteering and falling in line?
04-12-2011, 08:41 AM
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Originally Posted by tsquare
They keep saying that we can't do that because of security issues. Maybe that is a legitimate concern, but they could have a kill switch or some kind of device similar to what a courtroom uses when a judge has a sidebar that excludes those not directly involved in the issue to hear it. I know that would evoke a cry of censorship, but it would be vastly better than what is going on now...
04-12-2011, 08:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Sink r8
That's because the person in charge of communications, instead of policing the forum, couldn't help but editorialize, and preempted the MEC by issuing a formal ruling in the middle of a thread.
(had to get gotchya to 10 characters)
04-12-2011, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Luftwaffe
T, this issue was brought up by several MEC's including Delta's in the form of resolutions at ALPA BOD years ago. I heard this is being held up by lawyers trying to protect us from ourselves for many reasons including lawsuits, and management disclosure.
I can definitely see this being a problem if you have a large-scale webcast, attended by individuals in their home.
But could you have a limited number of additional locations, controlled by by a union officer, where a scrambled webcast would be sent, and not recorded? I.e. a Captain rep hosts ATL, a F/O rep hosts DFW, and the SEC/TREAS hosts Orlando?
04-12-2011, 08:50 AM
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Originally Posted by Luftwaffe
T, this issue was brought up by several MEC's including Delta's in the form of resolutions at ALPA BOD years ago. I heard this is being held up by lawyers trying to protect us from ourselves for many reasons including lawsuits, and management disclosure.
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