Any "Latest & Greatest" about Delta?
04-12-2011, 11:24 PM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
And no B scale.
So, yas, I'd say it was worth it.
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04-13-2011, 04:52 AM
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Originally Posted by satchip
I don't assign value to my professional skills, the market place does. It's not really oil and management incompetence that has impacted our career earnings. The biggest factor is deregulation. In a regulated market carriers were guaranteed profits and had little competition on routes. That market no longer exists.
As to our management's competence or lack there of, very few managers could effectively navigate today's pseudo regulated market where government has an ulterior motive and plays favorites. Ex, LGA slot swap.
I'm the second highest paid 4th year 737 pilot in the US. How is that not fairly compensated? Could it be more, sure. But it ain't gonna be 50% more, at least here in Literalville.
As to our management's competence or lack there of, very few managers could effectively navigate today's pseudo regulated market where government has an ulterior motive and plays favorites. Ex, LGA slot swap.
I'm the second highest paid 4th year 737 pilot in the US. How is that not fairly compensated? Could it be more, sure. But it ain't gonna be 50% more, at least here in Literalville.
What is the value of a CEO, a lawyer, a doctor? Don't they all work in a deregulated market?
In 2010 DAL MADE 733 MILLION DOLLARS on bag fees. A fee that DID NOT EXIST 40 years ago. Where did all that money go. That's right spread out to ALL DAL employees................. (they did take a 40% pay cut and had their pensions terminated right?)
It's time as individuals, as professionals and as a UNION to set the MINIMUM bar of what a professional pilot NEEDS to be paid. Not what is "fairly compensated".............
04-13-2011, 05:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
Knock it off tsquare. You're sounding like a short tempered jerk.
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04-13-2011, 05:11 AM
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Originally Posted by newKnow
ts,
What's more important than the fact that we went on strike is the fact that we will do it again. BFD for sure.
What's more important than the fact that we went on strike is the fact that we will do it again. BFD for sure.
04-13-2011, 05:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Rather B Fishin
Aren't the highlighted portions above indeed the problem. Isn't the "intrinsic value" of a pilot the same today as it was 40 years ago? Are we any less trained, experienced, responsible, professional, and in the end, when the poop hits the fan, the only ones who are left holding the bag as we were 40 years ago?
What is the value of a CEO, a lawyer, a doctor? Don't they all work in a deregulated market?
In 2010 DAL MADE 733 MILLION DOLLARS on bag fees. A fee that DID NOT EXIST 40 years ago. Where did all that money go. That's right spread out to ALL DAL employees................. (they did take a 40% pay cut and had their pensions terminated right?)
It's time as individuals, as professionals and as a UNION to set the MINIMUM bar of what a professional pilot NEEDS to be paid. Not what is "fairly compensated".............
What is the value of a CEO, a lawyer, a doctor? Don't they all work in a deregulated market?
In 2010 DAL MADE 733 MILLION DOLLARS on bag fees. A fee that DID NOT EXIST 40 years ago. Where did all that money go. That's right spread out to ALL DAL employees................. (they did take a 40% pay cut and had their pensions terminated right?)
It's time as individuals, as professionals and as a UNION to set the MINIMUM bar of what a professional pilot NEEDS to be paid. Not what is "fairly compensated".............
04-13-2011, 06:28 AM
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I agree, Call Rick, he can explain it better than anyone else can. We may as pilots see RJET, the holding company as a single air carrier. If or when Shuttle America (the branch doing our 170 flying) starts to fly coded F9 flying, then I do believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt that something may exist. That is unless of course F9 contracts with them to provide lift........
If you do not like the answers you get, file your own grievance. It may never get the traction you want, but it is your right.[/QUOTE]
So, why have a section on scope? Why retain the lawyers that didn't see this coming?
As for grievances, that don't seem to work at DALPA.
Jim
If you do not like the answers you get, file your own grievance. It may never get the traction you want, but it is your right.[/QUOTE]
So, why have a section on scope? Why retain the lawyers that didn't see this coming?
As for grievances, that don't seem to work at DALPA.
Jim
04-13-2011, 06:51 AM
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Originally Posted by DAL 88 Driver
Very well said! And we need people working in this profession who understand this and can respect it. (Amazes me that I would even have to say that.)
04-13-2011, 07:01 AM
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Let me clarify the above statement. I fully believe that we should make more. But not because we just say so. I think the first start is needed to getting our flying back to Delta pilots. Because with over 50% of our flying outsource we just don't have the leverage that we need.
04-13-2011, 07:15 AM
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[QUOTE=trlaketige;979713]
Jim;
Nothing is perfect and I will state the same for our contract language. Some of it needs to be in legaleze but most of it needs to be in a language that everyone can understand and interpret. We need to better in that area.
That said, section one is one of the most complex sections of the PWA. In this section we are dealing with "trade secret" agreements that cannot be published. As a result we have language that references Negotiator intent, legal definitions, renderings, et al. For this reason the suggestion was given to talk to Rick as he is bar none, the expert on all things involving section one.
Like I have said, I would like to see the language though out the contract rely less heavily on "Intent" and Interpretation but we have what we have and therefore need to go forward with this language until it is changed in the next agreement.
ACL65piilotI agree, Call Rick, he can explain it better than anyone else can. We may as pilots see RJET, the holding company as a single air carrier. If or when Shuttle America (the branch doing our 170 flying) starts to fly coded F9 flying, then I do believe that beyond a shadow of a doubt that something may exist. That is unless of course F9 contracts with them to provide lift........
If you do not like the answers you get, file your own grievance. It may never get the traction you want, but it is your right.
If you do not like the answers you get, file your own grievance. It may never get the traction you want, but it is your right.
So, why have a section on scope? Why retain the lawyers that didn't see this coming?
As for grievances, that don't seem to work at DALPA.
Jim
As for grievances, that don't seem to work at DALPA.
Jim
Nothing is perfect and I will state the same for our contract language. Some of it needs to be in legaleze but most of it needs to be in a language that everyone can understand and interpret. We need to better in that area.
That said, section one is one of the most complex sections of the PWA. In this section we are dealing with "trade secret" agreements that cannot be published. As a result we have language that references Negotiator intent, legal definitions, renderings, et al. For this reason the suggestion was given to talk to Rick as he is bar none, the expert on all things involving section one.
Like I have said, I would like to see the language though out the contract rely less heavily on "Intent" and Interpretation but we have what we have and therefore need to go forward with this language until it is changed in the next agreement.
04-13-2011, 07:21 AM
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ACL, I raise the B.S. flag. Once again Alpa allowed an end run while looking for a play up the middle. This career has been one big death spiral for the last 25 years. The harder we pull, the tighter the spiral. ALPA has been at the controls the whole time.
Jim
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