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07-14-2011 | 06:16 AM
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Bravo Sierra.
The scope language NWALPA had in place forbade the sale of Compass until a suitable DC-9 replacement for the mainline was flying (at least 10 hulls).
By removing that restriction, which did NOT occur until the JCBA, DALPA willingly facilitated the sale of Compass. We had language that directly controlled the disposition of that company...which is as close as "owning" the flying as you get without actually doing the flying, and it was given away by people who had NOT given up any negotiating capital to get it.
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The scope language NWALPA had in place forbade the sale of Compass until a suitable DC-9 replacement for the mainline was flying (at least 10 hulls).
By removing that restriction, which did NOT occur until the JCBA, DALPA willingly facilitated the sale of Compass. We had language that directly controlled the disposition of that company...which is as close as "owning" the flying as you get without actually doing the flying, and it was given away by people who had NOT given up any negotiating capital to get it.
Nu
But Nu! We HAD to get them their own MEC and reps in case we merged! We all know there was such a huge chance of that happening.
07-14-2011 | 06:21 AM
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Bravo Sierra.
The scope language NWALPA had in place forbade the sale of Compass until a suitable DC-9 replacement for the mainline was flying (at least 10 hulls).
By removing that restriction, which did NOT occur until the JCBA, DALPA willingly facilitated the sale of Compass. We had language that directly controlled the disposition of that company...which is as close as "owning" the flying as you get without actually doing the flying, and it was given away by people who had NOT given up any negotiating capital to get it.
Nu
The scope language NWALPA had in place forbade the sale of Compass until a suitable DC-9 replacement for the mainline was flying (at least 10 hulls).
By removing that restriction, which did NOT occur until the JCBA, DALPA willingly facilitated the sale of Compass. We had language that directly controlled the disposition of that company...which is as close as "owning" the flying as you get without actually doing the flying, and it was given away by people who had NOT given up any negotiating capital to get it.
Nu
Honestly, I'm not following this. I think this conversation is about an analogy between NWA/Compass and the A/A & TWA judgment that is going on in another thread. (Is this much right?). If so, I am confused about your statement in the last paragraph, where you state "which is as close as owning the flying as you get without actually doing the flying..." But from my (our, as in DAL pilots) perspective, if I (DAL pilots) am not doing the flying, that is simply a matter of semantics. Which at the end of the day, yields zero on the seniority list here at Ma Delta. Again, I am really trying hard to follow this, but keep coming up at a loss to 'splain it.
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07-14-2011 | 06:43 AM
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Question. Training took my trip for IOE. Can I pick up a trip either white slip or green slip and will that go on top of my trip guarantee??? 
07-14-2011 | 07:18 AM
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Hi Nu,
Honestly, I'm not following this. I think this conversation is about an analogy between NWA/Compass and the A/A & TWA judgment that is going on in another thread. (Is this much right?). If so, I am confused about your statement in the last paragraph, where you state "which is as close as owning the flying as you get without actually doing the flying..." But from my (our, as in DAL pilots) perspective, if I (DAL pilots) am not doing the flying, that is simply a matter of semantics. Which at the end of the day, yields zero on the seniority list here at Ma Delta. Again, I am really trying hard to follow this, but keep coming up at a loss to 'splain it.
Chuck
Honestly, I'm not following this. I think this conversation is about an analogy between NWA/Compass and the A/A & TWA judgment that is going on in another thread. (Is this much right?). If so, I am confused about your statement in the last paragraph, where you state "which is as close as owning the flying as you get without actually doing the flying..." But from my (our, as in DAL pilots) perspective, if I (DAL pilots) am not doing the flying, that is simply a matter of semantics. Which at the end of the day, yields zero on the seniority list here at Ma Delta. Again, I am really trying hard to follow this, but keep coming up at a loss to 'splain it.
Chuck
By keeping the Compass flying "bottled up" with the scope language we had, the company could do NOTHING with Compass until we got more airplanes on the property...specifically aircraft that Compass was designed to replace.
It put the company in a corner.
Nu
07-14-2011 | 07:19 AM
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As a Capt you have no Section 23 requirements so yes. If you (not you) are a FO, you have your Section 23 requirements, and then you can WS or GS trips after that requirement is completed.
07-14-2011 | 07:21 AM
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Is the trip pay on top of my monthly credit. No need to pick up if I get no more pay.
07-14-2011 | 07:27 AM
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The could not sell OH, so we all could see that CPS was the prime target. We are where we are. Stinks, but no body listened, and the DFR treats were just too great to overcome.
Move along now, nothing to see here.
07-14-2011 | 07:36 AM
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As I understand it yes. I have flown with a few guys that GSed when they got a trip taken for TOE. Also there are some new provisions that LOA 29 provides in this scenario. Look at those.
Some pilots have decided to opt out of their recovery obligations, lose the original trip pay, and then GSed on those days for more money.
07-14-2011 | 07:51 AM
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We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is.
07-14-2011 | 08:11 AM
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We had a SW 07 hire FO on our jumpseat yesterday. His W2 was 160,000 last yr with 15-16 days off a month. Around 850 hrs of flight time pay. The key is flight time pay. He showed us a 4 day trip that he just finished with 21 hrs of flying but 29 hrs of pay. This is the norm. A min 3 day pay credit is around 20 for 15-16 hrs of flight time. He said he could make more but being a commuter you know how it is.
This next contract better be good. My DPA card has already been sent to light a fire under ALPA.
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