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07-13-2011, 07:02 PM
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Originally Posted by chuck416
I don't even know how to respond.....I haven't 'turned in my card' to DPA....yet...but am asking myself daily, "why NOT"???
Like I've said from the beginning of this in-house union effort...use the information gleaned from your own logical mind. Not the spin of others. When you think it's right, it'll be right.
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07-13-2011, 07:13 PM
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Wasn't that funny
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07-13-2011, 07:15 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I still don't understand why the DPA crowd doesn't put any real energy into a signed pledge or "contract with Delta Pilots" that they take to each LEC rep, and if they don't get on board with it, start a recall process.
Originally Posted by shiznit
All I can say for DPA thus far: ...............................
DPA proponents better step up to the plate when it comes time for negotiations to ensue.....I still want to see 3000+ members volunteer for the SPC when called upon to send a message to DAL management that we are ready, willing, and that we truly demand restoration.
DPA proponents better step up to the plate when it comes time for negotiations to ensue.....I still want to see 3000+ members volunteer for the SPC when called upon to send a message to DAL management that we are ready, willing, and that we truly demand restoration.
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07-13-2011, 07:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Elvis90
For those of you who were in Minneapolis on December 17, 2010, you'll recall that 17 inches of snow in a short period caused the Metrodome (home of the Vikings) roof to collapse:
I was scheduled to fly that day, cancelled, and barely made it back to my crashpad with 4-wheel drive pickups and 18-wheelers stuck all over the sides of the road.
After 7 months the roof is finally replaced:
Metrodome roof up again, nearly ready for Vikings | masslive.com
I was scheduled to fly that day, cancelled, and barely made it back to my crashpad with 4-wheel drive pickups and 18-wheelers stuck all over the sides of the road.
After 7 months the roof is finally replaced:
Metrodome roof up again, nearly ready for Vikings | masslive.com
Originally Posted by Denny Crane
Check,
I think what makes the RAH situation unique is the fact that the NMB declared them a "single carrier" for pilot representation purposes even though they operate on a number of certificates. This is what I have heartburn with.
AA and American Eagle may both be under AMR but they have not been given that "single carrier" designation by the NMB.
Denny
I think what makes the RAH situation unique is the fact that the NMB declared them a "single carrier" for pilot representation purposes even though they operate on a number of certificates. This is what I have heartburn with.
AA and American Eagle may both be under AMR but they have not been given that "single carrier" designation by the NMB.
Denny
I think AMR and AE could be considered STS but it'd be far far trickier than proving RAH meets that standard.
But I'm not gun shootin' Denny Crane.
07-13-2011, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
As I've said in other places, you have to prove to me that "DPA supporters" can change the smaller things first,
We'll make you proud in our first little effort.
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07-13-2011, 07:26 PM
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Originally Posted by scambo1
Shiz;
I for one applaud your fearless defense of what you feel is the truth. You never seem to make it or take it personally. You are honest with no apparent agenda beyond raising the bar.
I sometimes agree with some of your posts and often I do not, but at least you are honest about your perspective.
I am not interested in picking at this post because it would be a he said she said. I agree that DPA - if they mobilized the troops -could or should get some agenda items moving right now. I think they should do this too.
There may be some reason they are not either strategically or legally, I dont know. Sadly, with ALPA, we rank and file types are sidelined and marginalized. I dont need my voice heard on every issue but I do need it heard on scope and it has been heard.
If DALPA doesnt pull a rabbit out of a hat with respect to RAH I am a DPA man - it was the last straw for me, I've seen enough. Its really that simple.
Without scope, every other contract section is meaningless.
I for one applaud your fearless defense of what you feel is the truth. You never seem to make it or take it personally. You are honest with no apparent agenda beyond raising the bar.
I sometimes agree with some of your posts and often I do not, but at least you are honest about your perspective.
I am not interested in picking at this post because it would be a he said she said. I agree that DPA - if they mobilized the troops -could or should get some agenda items moving right now. I think they should do this too.
There may be some reason they are not either strategically or legally, I dont know. Sadly, with ALPA, we rank and file types are sidelined and marginalized. I dont need my voice heard on every issue but I do need it heard on scope and it has been heard.
If DALPA doesnt pull a rabbit out of a hat with respect to RAH I am a DPA man - it was the last straw for me, I've seen enough. Its really that simple.
Without scope, every other contract section is meaningless.
I really do try to eliminate emotion from my assessments of what is best for me and my family. I view this career as a business, and emotion doesn't help you seal the deal in a business transaction.
It pains me, but if you stick to what you say, I think you might be gone to DPA, as the RAH situation is (in my opinion) a lost cause....The use of AE out of LAX for a long, long time has essentially killed the ability to use the applicable part of Section 1 to give RAH the boot. We are left to suffer with what we have for now, but its up to us if we continue to allow it to remain weak. I'd ask you to not send a card, but you have to do what you discern to be the most effective course of action.
FWIW, I like Bar and many others want to see the use of an "inclusive" scope section (Bar's eloquence and clarity of ideas on it are extremely well written).
I too really, really would like DALPA to give us something to rally behind, I just think that strategically or practically this isn't right time. I mean what is so important right now that we can't wait? At this time, I believe that we WILL see a "call to arms" but I think they are keeping the powder dry until we are in Section 6 and the company needs a big "jolt" by the pilot group to push them to accede on the last couple of things. I just hope we hold together long enough to hear and respond to that message when the time comes.
07-13-2011, 07:31 PM
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Originally Posted by shiznit
I would love to see fact based evidence of this, for all pilots to see.
I know that in 2000-01, UALALPA and DALPA produced the richest contracts in us airline history.
I know that SWAPA has NEVER produced contractual gains that propelled them to "lead the industry", and that APA has done pretty well but never really "led" the pack (well except maybe with the B-scale).
I know that NPA (Airtran), and FPA (FedEx) were independent and decided to JOIN ALPA instead of stay independent because it was a better way to make gains in their careers.
I know that USAPA has produced NOTHING tangible for their pilots in more than two years of "independent operation", and they have a multi-million budget deficit that threatens the existence of the organization.
This is what I know. I do not know of any accomplishments of DPA.
I know that in 2000-01, UALALPA and DALPA produced the richest contracts in us airline history.
I know that SWAPA has NEVER produced contractual gains that propelled them to "lead the industry", and that APA has done pretty well but never really "led" the pack (well except maybe with the B-scale).
I know that NPA (Airtran), and FPA (FedEx) were independent and decided to JOIN ALPA instead of stay independent because it was a better way to make gains in their careers.
I know that USAPA has produced NOTHING tangible for their pilots in more than two years of "independent operation", and they have a multi-million budget deficit that threatens the existence of the organization.
This is what I know. I do not know of any accomplishments of DPA.
I know that the DPA has hired the Seham law firm to aid in their start up. I know the TWA pilots also used the services of Seham.
I know I'm prouder than ever to be supporting the decertification of ALPA.
Carl
07-13-2011, 07:32 PM
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Originally Posted by johnso29
Which is exactly why personal agendas need to be set aside & the current NC remain intact!
100% right johnso!
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07-13-2011, 07:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Carl Spackler
You've asked this "question" continuously despite it being answered continuously. It's clear you don't want to hear the answers, hoping that the continued asking will mean something profound.
This is all you've EVER had to say about the DPA thus far. You shouldn't worry too much about 3,000+ volunteers doing your latest idea of something cool, because I think there will be 7,000+ folks real soon. Then we'll start to see people's hard work actually accomplishing something...by performing it in our new in-house union.
Carl
This is all you've EVER had to say about the DPA thus far. You shouldn't worry too much about 3,000+ volunteers doing your latest idea of something cool, because I think there will be 7,000+ folks real soon. Then we'll start to see people's hard work actually accomplishing something...by performing it in our new in-house union.
Carl
Show me some hard work, I'll show you some interest.
07-13-2011, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Denny Crane
I think what makes the RAH situation unique is the fact that the NMB declared them a "single carrier" for pilot representation purposes even though they operate on a number of certificates. This is what I have heartburn with.
Carl
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