Originally Posted by Bucking Bar (Post 1025839)

You can keep writing it it & I'll keep reminding you, ALPA merger policy at the time was status quo. By paycheck, or equipment, it would have been a staple. The Comair MEC was procedurally correct in following policy which stipulated a commitment to a merger BEFORE SLI openers.

The history does show Comair never even made an SLI opener, nor did ASA.

You say you heard crew room hearsay. I heard it straight from my MEC Chairman. Further there is a paper record of everything that happened before, during and after the 2000 BOD meeting which fired the starter's pistol on the race to the bottom. Refer to one scrap of paper, any, even the back of a napkin, which documents a DOH demand. IT DOES NOT EXIST!

The only purpose of this DOH lie was to scare Delta pilots and justify the separation which enabled scope sales. The "Comair demanded DOH" myth is tired and debunked. You harm your credibility by repeating it.

But, you do raise a valid point if you were to re-state that the outcome today is much less certain than it was a decade ago. During the intervening years, our status quo positions have moved. The general move away from status quo benchmarks also makes the outcome less certain. After all, who had ever heard of pull & plug?

Originally Posted by alfaromeo (Post 1026267)

Wow, I didn't think you could get even more wrong than usual but, you managed to just the same. Go back and read the original post I made to start this off. Somehow, Carl thinks going back to the original source is waffling, but if I write something in black and white then it is not waffling to go back to it.

First, there can't be any lawsuits about the SLI, the statute of limitations has passed, you acknowledge this. Doesn't stop you from divining secret motives and plans anyway. Second, seniority is not a personal right it lives in the contract only and so it is always a subject of negotiation, although it rarely is. So your ranting about lawsuits and liability is just ignorant fluff, you don't understand the landscape, yet that doesn't stop you from bloviating anyway. Maybe you do need those law courses. There is no secret liability, no one is scared of a lawsuit, one was filed and it was settled for a fraction of legal fees. Lawsuits are over. United Airlines renegotiated their seniority list after the 1985 strike, it is not a fantasy it actually happened. USAPA right now is trying to renegotiate their seniority list, don't act like this is an impossibility.

I said that DPA is amorphous and ever changing. If they fail to meet their objectives or if they select a path that people don't like, they merely need to change the website and they are now new and improved. What that means is that DPA is all things to all people. I said was some DPA members view DPA as a tool to change the SLI, a view that was corroborated by DPA insider Carl. I never said that DPA's mission was to change the SLI, I said anyone can put any face on DPA they want. It was Carl and the rest of the DPA shills that went in High PRF mode about this issue. I just sit back and watch laughing as they make themselves look stupid.

Finally, every thing I posted was 100% factual and backed up by evidence in federal courts. There is a record of thousands and thousands of pages of this and is not some made up fiction. Some like to wallow in their ignorance of the facts and go on pure spite (Carl) while others like to actually read the source documents and work from a basis of fact.

Seniority is negotiable, DPA's attorney says that negotiating seniority is the same as any other section of the contract, DPA's attorney says that date of hire is the gold standard for seniority integrations. All of these are pure facts, indisputable, backed up by hard evidence. Make what you will of it, but you can't erase the facts, as hard as you try.

Originally Posted by il0101 (Post 1026384)

Sorry to interrupt the food fight, I got a line for the first time ever. I am now allowed to pick up some open time correct? If so do I have to put a white slip in for the trip that I want? Thanks guys.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1026262)

When we get around to time for the openers, DPA will die and go away, and the group will unite. I've seen this movie before. You and "the group" are blowing this way out of proportion because you perceive this as some sort of legitimate threat to throw them off the property which will never happen.

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1026408)

Hmm, I've seen THIS movie before too. DPA previously stated they needed to have the cards in by 12/31/10. When they didn't meet that milestone, they changed their website and dropped that. I have ZERO belief they will ever "...die and go away, and the group will unite..." once openers are exchanged. They will continue to divide the pilot group despite the fact they have no chance of succeeding at this time.

Originally Posted by tsquare (Post 1026409)

Can somebody post that Chicken Little poster again^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Originally Posted by Pineapple Guy (Post 1026408)

.......... They will continue to divide the pilot group despite the fact they have no chance of succeeding at this time.

Originally Posted by FlyingViking (Post 1026412)

I just had to add that I stronly disagree with this statement. DPA is there to unite Delta pilots, and Delta pilots only, while ALPA is there to make a few individuals move up the political ladder and couldn't care less about Delpa pilots.

Originally Posted by sailingfun (Post 1026404)

I was at the meeting and spoke with the Comair MEC chairman. I listened as others questioned him. He made his position very clear. They would not agree to a staple or prenuptial agreement. They would use the ALPA merger policy which was not status quo. It was a series of about 6 considerations in how to construct a list and required arbitration if both sides could not reach a agreement. That exact policy produced a DOH list at NW which essential merged a Widebody international airline with a feeder airline. He said that he felt DOH was a fair way to construct the list.