I can absolutely agree to some of this. There are some fine folks in ALPA, but there is way way way too many bad apples to save the harvest. The bureaucratic circus at ALPA together with their enormous spendings on everything from RJ pilot groups to luxury items need to go. We, Delta pilots, need a union that put the well being of us, Delta pilots, on the front burner and not worry about every flying group out there. Today we are represented by a group that support, or at least refuse to say they don't support scope. We do not need this dobbel moral, 5 star dinner kinda guys to run our union in the best interest of other pilot groups. We need DPA, for Delta pilots only.

Simple really....:D

I have to agree with and support the premise of DPA, as long as it is not about SLI suicide and a FEW screaming how unfair their lives have been affected by the merger. (let me know when it is ok to ***** because I have some screaming fits about the BOHICA situation in LAX with the eskimo smiling from behind! oops sorry did I write that?)

I have signed the DPA card and want to hear about how we can take back our representation. I am 100% sure that trying to do anything before this contract is not in the best interest of DAL pilots in this near term of negotiations. JAN 1 2013 let see the org chart, the budgets, the dues etc etc etc.... In fact whom do I write a check to further the progress of DPA post 12/31/2012???

I know it is not popular in some circles but I am just trying to see things in a realistic light. If our ALPA leaders pull off a miracle then of course DPA had better be able to deliver and I think it is worth some volunteer time and even some coin to see what a good answer to ALPA would look like...

I don't invest my entire portfolio on unproven investments but I do think it is prudent to put some money at risk for better returns.... This is how I view the ALPA/DPA debate at his moment...... and I just need to put my support behind what I feel will provode me the best contract possible! In a lot of ways I wish DPA had a 2 year head start.

This is the fact that could harm us and our profession until C2012 is amendable.

What would really get ALPA off its duff is if these guys would reengage and start recalling reps and demanding change. Since they have no interest in that, we are left with divisiveness. :mad:

Think POS96 and PPA.....

He wasn't here for either of those. Somehow he thinks the same movie will have a different ending.

I certainly was, and it is a quantum leap of "logic" to think that one had ANYTHING to do with the other. And as a matter of fact, where is the PPA today?

PPA? I don't know that acronym. ???

The thing I think most about when I see that Chicken Little Poster is a few years ago when we were voting to extend our contract for two more years in exchange for what basically amounted to a cost of living increase to our bankruptcy/emergency pay. There were a couple of loudmouths on the DALPA Forum that were predicting all kinds of doom and gloom by 2010, which would have been the amendable date of our contract. They asserted that 2010 would be a terrible time to negotiate. That we would be lucky to not have to take pay CUTS if we tried to negotiate then. Supposedly, our economy would be in collapse, the airline industry would be a wreck... and we needed to be "too big to fail" so we could "get a seat at the bailout table." Oh... and "buy gold!" These two even wrote a "white paper", outlining all their dire predictions, and presented it to our MEC.

I still to this day feel that, between those two scaring people half to death and the full court press sales pitch we all got from DALPA, this is the reason we voted to extend our bankruptcy/emergency pay and missed out on negotiating a new contract in 2010, a year of record profits for Delta. Whoops! So much for gurus and crystal balls, huh?

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_ky1bf81QrM...ystal_ball.jpg

Wow. So does the DOJ have to sign off too? Or is this a done deal?

Up next......DTW 73N base & NYC 320 base.

Oh that's right. I was wearing a TWA uniform then (where I "willingly worked for less" :rolleyes:) and you were one of those Delta guys that looked the other way when you passed us in the concourse. Sure am glad that stereotype didn't turn out to be true. How does it feel to be among the 1% or so of any group that are just @ss holes and give the rest a bad name? :eek:

You're much better at commenting on feelings, drummer boy!:D

I'll give you credit. You're right that you weren't here, so you don't know the results of a failed alternate representation drive (PPA/DPA) first hand. You're wrong about me, though. Interesting that you have to result to personal attack and can't stick with facts.