Do YOU ever read anything Einstein? I say that they ARE. They fly the same airplanes, in the same theatres.. the only relevant difference is the pay. (and that is not so relevant)

ALPA can do nothing really but watch this unfold from the Uecker seats. I am willing to bet that this scares the hell out of some guys in Herndon for various reasons, not the least of which is the realization that they are being marginalized.

Until ALPA rediscovers scope, it is mostly pointless.

If ALPA would find its way back to its foundational beliefs, it could once again become great. ALPA's own poor legal strategy has harmed it much more than having the "deck stacked against it." You see, a union has an uphill battle when it demands the Courts or Management recognize job protection provisions that the union itself undermines.

Independent unions, by virtue of their independence, will never have the unity to get the big things done.

If given the choice between hope and impossible. I'll pick hope.

If it came down to AT pilots not accepting their TA, and decide to go to "self help", would ALPA spend MCF to defend a pilot group who will eventually go to SWAPA ?

ALPA didn't do that for TWA pilots i don't think they would do that for AT pilots either.

Interesting point..

Three Airlines Look “Oversold and Ripe to Buy”: Dahlman Rose - Stocks To Watch Today - Barrons.com


AUGUST 1, 2011, 9:47 AM ET
Three Airlines Look “Oversold and Ripe to Buy”: Dahlman Rose
By Avi Salzman

Dahlman Rose analyst Helane Becker upgraded three airlines this morning after stocks in the industry fell 16% last month and 8% just last week. Becker raised Delta (DAL), United Continental (UAL) and Alaska Airlines (ALK) to Buy from Hold, and also boosted JetBlue (JBLU) to Hold from Sell, as capacity cuts in the industry should help improve profitability at the airlines going forward.

“We believe the airlines may exceed scaled-down expectations in 2H11 given the planned capacity cuts,” Becker writes.

Delta and United should also be able to shore up their balance sheets in the next couple of years.

“Delta Air Lines and United Continental stated they plan to use free cash flow over the next two years to pay down debt. Both companies target $10 billion in net debt. We believe both are likely to achieve this by 2013, although Delta has been more aggressive in marketing this as a goal. As Delta and United pay down debt, interest expense will decline improving the bottom line.”

But AMR (AMR), the parent of American Airlines, could see more troubles ahead, and Becker dropped her price target to $3.75 from $4.50.

Delta rose 2.7% in early trading. United was up 1.1%, Alaska Airlines rose 1.4% and JetBlue was up 1.5%.

"Uecker seats" are those the ones you sit at when your feet are on the Chief Pilot's desk?

go home troll

Apples and oranges.

I'm no expert, but I believe the TWA lawsuit was buyer's remorse after the MEC did exactly what they chose to do, then didn't like the result; and wanted MCF money to fight against the very thing they had already agreed to. Pretty much just like USAPA is doing now.

The TWA pilots had a member ratification of their SLI deal with AMR. Once they voted it in their was nothing for ALPA to do. TWA was also within 60 days of liquidation with cash almost depleted.
The situation at AirTran is quite different. SW has already completed the purchase. This is not a prenuptial agreement. The TWA agreement was a prenuptial. Sign it or no purchase by AMR.