OK, my first post did sound a little like whining which I didn't intend. I've been here almost 3 years so I'm still an FNG in some guys book and I understand how the LOA worked. I have talked to my reps about it more than once. They had three choices. Hire guys to cover the 88 in ATL, displace guys to the 88 in ATL which they did anyways, or violate the contract. ALPA let them violate the contract. That is where I have a problem and it seems to happen alot around here for the benefit of the company and not the pilots. I still don't understand why can't we have ALV's that are specific to each base instead of the entire category which would have helped the NYC, CVG, and SLC guys while they fixed the mess in ATL.

Slowplay, I posted my opinon on the ALV because that is my opinion. If ALPA let the company violate the contract and that violation was costing you $1500 per month, you would be ****ed too. All of us try to support what is good for whole, but our opinions and usually formed based upon what is happening to us individually.

Exactly. I want to see how they keep the TLV within the contractual limits without another LOA. It's been at 82 or above now for six months.

Let me first caveat my take by stating I'm not anywhere near as well versed in this stuff as guys in the know. That being said, the LOA allowed the company to reduce the ALV for M88 F/Os up to 5 hours for TLV purposes for the months of Jan-Mar. So instead of the TLV being calculated at 82 hours for Jan, Feb, & Mar the company is able to use 77hrs ALV for those months when it comes to doing the 12 month look back for TLV purposes. That doesn't prohibit them from having an ALV of 82 for months other than Jan-Mar, but one would have to assume that at some point the ALV is going to have to come down in order to meet the TLV.

Hindsight at this point, but my question is why wasn't the argument made for keeping the ALV numbers "honest" and allow the difference to be made up via greenslips or other methods?

You missed the big point. There was 3000 hours of additional flying taken from RJ's and given to mainline because of this agreement. What you're advocating two bad alternatives: to turn down flying and return it to the connection carriers because we weren't staffed at the time to pick it up (you'd then be on reserve), or displace you farther down the 88 list so you'd still be on reserve. There wasn't going to be any hiring with the airline overstaffed with pilots in the wrong categories.

You never would have had the $1500 per month either way.

I heard rumor that ALPA is the reason that a great deal of flying, on the ER, was shifted from NY to ATL. Does anyone know if this is true? I wanted what I bid but would like to know where I stand with ALPA.

Big guns, groundstop and rocky boy. You all have a private message.

This LOA was done to keep guys on bigger jets for the SLI. It was in our favor that they did this when they did. I am sure it helped you on some level.
As for how it helped the company. Well it reduced unnecessary training and retraining. It saved money which in effect helped you.
As for the ALV being 82 this month. Welcome to summer. It will go down in Sept when the block hrs decrease and people will be whining then that they are not getting enough flying.

Really? ROTFLOL I'd like to see the proof of that.

you're out of line...you got a problem w/ our new guys then come see me in the Moscow briefing room...we'll let ax hold your purse.

You mean he didn't get a displacement to go with his reserve? Darn, hate to cheat anyone out of a type ride, then three day check ride on a different airplane they already brain dumped and a move to reserve for less money.

Sometimes you just got to get yourself a virgin Causasian and abide with reserve on APC waiting for ACL scoop'age.

All this PM'ing, ... more love in here than a Bud Light commercial.